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Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

Can we agree that CFC is clearly planning to attack us on t175 and that there is no value in pretending otherwise when talking with them? I don't see what continuing to act oblivious gets us.
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So we have 25 turns to kill all the Germans?
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We have 15 turns to kill the germans, and 10 turns to heal up and reposition.
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(May 26th, 2013, 12:49)Ruff_Hi Wrote: Speak of the devil ...

Quote:Scooter/RB,

We are aware of the fact that you are receiving marble from the Germans, and that this probably is the reason why you do not need the marble now. We are doing our best to be as accommodating on this as we can, but we cannot take your deals with other teams into consideration, as that was not part of our original agreement. We were prepared to offer it to you immediately upon our completion of the Taj Mahal, but you denied saying it was a bad time, which we assume was because of your deal with the Germans. As things stand now, you can either accept the marble this turn (T145), or you will have to wait until turn 165.

Please let us know your decision.

Caledorn, Foreign Minister of Team CFC


Quote:Caledorn,

What does the Taj Mahal have to do with anything?

I'm confused. I thought you offered it as soon as the Spanish agreed to peace and you were able to connect it.

We're getting a little scared that you guys want to attack us in 25 turns. If you're upset about the marble, it's okay, you can keep it because we are buddies. Should we start training soldiers or something?

Your pals at RB
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I actually love Ruff's draft. And the pun I just made.
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Another suggestion:


Do you want peace?

RB
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In all seriousness, I believe that our best options are:

1) scooter grabs their diplo guy and put them on the spot in a chat about their obvious ignoring of the NAP part of our last message.

2) If we can't make that happen, then we send a message with a direct question about whether they we should be expecting a war declaration on Turn 175, something to that effect.

I think that we've been fairly polite and generous up to this point in time, while all of their messages have been presented in the form of ultimatums that we were forced to accept. We probably do need to start pushing back a bit.
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(May 26th, 2013, 18:01)Ellimist Wrote:
(May 26th, 2013, 12:49)Ruff_Hi Wrote: Speak of the devil ...

Quote:Scooter/RB,

We are aware of the fact that you are receiving marble from the Germans, and that this probably is the reason why you do not need the marble now. We are doing our best to be as accommodating on this as we can, but we cannot take your deals with other teams into consideration, as that was not part of our original agreement. We were prepared to offer it to you immediately upon our completion of the Taj Mahal, but you denied saying it was a bad time, which we assume was because of your deal with the Germans. As things stand now, you can either accept the marble this turn (T145), or you will have to wait until turn 165.

Please let us know your decision.

Caledorn, Foreign Minister of Team CFC


Quote:Caledorn,

What does the Taj Mahal have to do with anything?

I'm confused. I thought you offered it as soon as the Spanish agreed to peace and you were able to connect it.

We're getting a little scared that you guys want to attack us in 25 turns. If you're upset about the marble, it's okay, you can keep it because we are buddies. Should we start training soldiers or something?

Your pals at RB

I'm a fan of that draft. They'll probably reply, "What do you mean, 'start training soldiers?' Your army is huge!", to which we then reply something like "We know." Ooh, tingles in my spine.
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The funniest part of this is that we've been deliberately oblivious in our recent messages to them and they're getting more and more frustrated by it.

We're better off not talking to them in chat if we want to keep this up with them.

Regardless of whether they already have plans to attack us or not or what we can say to them, we're simply not likely to get another NAP extension from them. Repeatedly asking for it after a pretty obvious refusal won't (directly) gain us anything, either, but maybe we just want them to keep spinning in circles with them. If they're taking a week to discuss our messages and coming back irritated, then by all means, let's keep going with our current style.
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Why not try to bluff that we know about the CoW to see what happens?

Quote:Caledorn,

What does the Taj Mahal have to do with anything? I thought you offered it as soon as the Spanish agreed to peace and you were able to connect it.

We didn't think what we were hearing was true, but your recent actions are leading us to question your commitment to our friendship after the next 25 turns.

Your pals at RB

Maybe they'll leak something accidentally.
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"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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