RB Pitboss #1 Spoiler -- Zara of the Holy Roman Empire

[Broker33]

Here is a chat with DSP. I think he was fishing for when I get Monarchy.

Him saying Krill is going for Monarchy is funny. Yeah worried about a 2v1 or worse so he is chasing up the religious tech path instead of the military. Not likely.

4:11 PM Daniel: how goes it
?
me: Game is down
Daniel: yeah I know
4:12 PM me: How are things going with you?
Daniel: pretty good
me: My life is like a country music song lately
Daniel: wondering if you'd be interested in trading MC for Monarchy, assuming you're still researching that
a country music song?
lost your house, lost your wife, lost your job?
4:13 PM me: In the last 2 months Wife has had back surgery so only one income, Dog had fleas so bad had to goto the vet, both cars broke down, wife got a ticket and now the dog needs surgery
4:14 PM Oh yeah grandbaby was born
Now Civ is Down I cant take it
4:15 PM Daniel: sorry to hear
4:16 PM me: Not depressed about it just shit happens
MC is quite a bit more expensive than Monarchy
Daniel: well I don't have any of the techs leading up to Monarchy either
me: Ah prereqs
4:17 PM You have myst right
Daniel: nope
me: wow myst, med,priest monarchy now beaker heavy the other way
4:18 PM about 100 I think cost are inflated in the game
4:19 PM Daniel: if you don't have masonry I have that
and I might be able to trade some of the prerequisites with someone else
ZPV built stonehenge so he has mysticism for example
4:20 PM me: Isnt ZPV going for MC also
Or was that Kodi. I get confused
Anyway when are you planing to finish it
4:21 PM Daniel: first ZPV was going to trade for MC from me
then he backed out and wanted to research it himself
now it appears he's reconsidering, so I think he probably won't research it
not sure though
4:22 PM me: Yeah that helped my confusion
4:24 PM So when were you planing on landing MC
Daniel: before turn 90
I assume you'll have Monarchy before then
me: Yep
4:25 PM Should have it by 80
Daniel: but unless ZPV is totally misleading me, I don't think anyone else will have MC for a long time
do you need masonry?
or sailing?
4:26 PM me: I will need that stuff long before turn 90
4:27 PM Daniel: well the reason I asked was because I was wondering if you'd be willing to front me Monarchy, and if I gave you more techs than maybe that would convince you to do so
so I could give you those techs as soon as either of us have Alphabet
4:28 PM me: have to think about that one. Fronting for 10 turns is alot. Things can change.
Daniel: no problem
4:29 PM I'm fine with it (of course I guess I'm getting the benefit, hehe). Things can change but I would trust the other party to fulfill their part of the deal
4:30 PM me: Like I said need to come up with a plan and see what I can shop it around for earlier than that.
4:31 PM Just seem like a long time to wait for me to lock into an agreement right now
4:32 PM Daniel: no problem, mainly I wanted to let you know I was interested in Monarchy, so you could start thinking about it
me: I will keep you in mind. Have you heard of anyone else going for it. Would love to have a monpoly
4:33 PM Part of the reason I took this tech path


8 minutes

4:41 PM Daniel: Someone else is going for it, I think Krill or Imhotep or something. I think you'll have it long before they do though
me: I doubt Krill would be.
4:42 PM Imhotep though ... his score is down by mine

[Broker33]

Chat with Shady. Odd suddenly people wanted to talk to me

8:02 PM Shadyforce: what's wrong with comcast?
and why do both you and Krill hate i?
me: Game was down earlier
Sunrise has comcast
Shadyforce: oh right
it obviously hit you addicts harder than us mere enthusiasts

8:03 PM me: Yep dont call it civcrack for nothing
8:04 PM Shadyforce: I notice that you are one of three ppl not to have ended your turn... gasp! :P
me: Yep I will end it tonight
8:05 PM Shadyforce: holding up the gme, tsk tsk
me: LOL the europeans are already in bed dosent much matter not getting any more turns in today anyway
wondering where Regoarrarr is though h
he usually plays around 6
8:06 PM Shadyforce: cincinatti I think
me: Yep 4 hrs south of me
And where my grandbaby is
Shadyforce: oh right, you meant where is he when not at the pc playing his turn, rather than geographically?
8:07 PM me: Yep
Shadyforce: a grandbaby? awww... how old?
me: Dsp should play around 10. I want to watch a barb fight so I am waiting since I can
5 days
Shadyforce: wow, very young then
8:08 PM your first grandchild?
me: Yep I am officially old
Shadyforce: hehe
me: You young whippersnappers better watch out
LOL
8:09 PM Shadyforce: gramps here is gonna beat us all up? :P
me:
8:10 PM Gramps is a 2nd degree black belt B-)
Shadyforce: yikes... no messing with you
8:11 PM me: with 2 back surgeries
8:13 PM Shadyforce: I'm slipping down the score board here... I'm not happy at all...all those wonder hogs getting their big score boost!
me: LOL I am in the basement quit your whining
Shadyforce: mh/kodii up to 2nd after great wall!
I'll be joining you there shortly
me: Ind civ what do you expect
really surprise it didnt fall earlier
8:14 PM Shadyforce: great wall does nothing... they just built it to show off...flaunting their industriiousness!
me: Safety from barbs with paper military is nice
Shadyforce: what surprises me is that GW, GLH both falling, but where is Pyramids and Oracle? you'd think someone would have built them
8:15 PM I would never chance paper military for long in a multiplayer game... too many warmongers out there
me: true
Shadyforce: what is the great wall... 5 axes or something? I know what I'd rather have
me: Pyramids surprises me. Oracle you have to chase down the tech path other things are more useful
8:16 PM Really thoght mids would have fallen before lighthouse
Shadyforce: well... Mids are expensive... and nobody is philosophical
me: Rep is still nice early
8:17 PM Shadyforce: GLH is excellent in this type of mad... was considering it myself
me: I would have liked it but still dont have sailing
Odds of me landing a wonder with 10 other people better at MM than I are next to nil
Shadyforce: got a trade lines up for sailing?
8:18 PM *lined
me: 2 Cities fear me
I sould be able to swing something when monarchy comes in
8:19 PM Shadyforce: ah, monarchy early would be nice
don;t need rep if you can connect wines
me: Made sense with early religion and wines at cap
Shadyforce: actualy do you have wines... don't think I have any near me
8:20 PM when do you get monarchy? would you be interested in some sort of trade? Sailing for monarchy... very fair imo
8:21 PM me: ummmm yeah let me think on that. Actually gonna go watch tv with granny
8:22 PM Shadyforce: more seriously, I might have something of interest to you for monarchy, let me know if interested
me: ok but gotta run or she gets cranky
Shadyforce: Sailing + other stuff
me: catch you later
Shadyforce: catch you later dude

[Swiss Pauli]

. After trade I am double civic swaping to OR/Vassalge which is why I just revolted to Buddism.

Surely you mean revolt to HR/OR? Vassalage is pretty expensive for very little benefit in the short to medium term.

[Broker33]

Surely you mean revolt to HR/OR? Vassalage is pretty expensive for very little benefit in the short to medium term.

I could do a triple swap but I do want Vassalage. I am organized so civic upkeep is half. Not particulary worried about it. Also 2 promo LB's and HA for the impending conflict will be very useful. Dont think I want 2 turns anarchy that will make 3 with the religion swap. Although HR is useful I already have 3 happy resources plus religion so I dont need it right away.

[Broker33]

Short conversation with Sunrise.

I am considering doing a triple swap. Have a settler comming from Lin. 3rd city is brand new and recieving a chop.

What happens when food box goes to 0 do you shrink then or when it goes negative?

I may have to delay my warrior in capital 1 turn cause I will goto 0 food. Dont want to shrink.

9:20 AM Sunrise: hi broker!
9:21 AM me: Victory !!!!!
Sunrise: congratulations!
me: Thanks
Sunrise: i saw your score go up twice on civstats yeterday and knew
9:22 AM me: Was really worried about shakey hands clicking on the wrong tech. Would have been a big DOH!!! moment to oracle archery
Alpha is in also I need masonary and poly from you to get mono next turn


9 minutes

9:32 AM me: On the civic swap. OR/Vas or OR/VAS/HR or OR/HR are my choices. I am organized so upkeep shouldnt be a problem. I have 3 happy and religion should I wait on HR?
Sunrise: there is never a reason to wait to switch to HRE
9:33 AM *HR
same upkeep cost
unles i suppose it gives 2T of anarchy

[Broker33]

Ok Krill answered my question. He was on. Nice that even though we are enemys in the game he can be helpful

me: Can you answer a game mechanics problem for me?
old.mail.storage: sure
me: What happens when food hits 0 do you shrink then or when it goes negative?
old.mail.storage: when you hit 0 food the city is OK
it starves when the food in the box goes below zero at the end of the turn
Just wonderin,g but when are you likely to play your turn today?
me: After I get home from work. Probably around 6 EDT. Regoarrarr wont be around till 8:30 EDT though
old.mail.storage: ok then
me: The answer to that question will allow me finish up at 6 I think
old.mail.storage: not going to get 2 turns tonight then
me: Probably not

[Broker33]

Chat with the Lins worked out a deal 4 2 promo LBs for 2 settlers and 2 vultures. Should help with the rexing and allow me to grow cities.

10:19 AM me: You are second in score right now
League: won't last
me: I am moving down
10:20 AM League: I think I know the problem
I included meditation in the deal
but we just got myst
so that's why it's not working
try to accept anyway
if it doesn't work
me: I sent you myst for the other 3 but since you accepted myst from Regoarrarr my deal must have cancled
League: I'll just make another trade just with alpha
10:21 AM giving you alpha
sorry about this
me: Well I will try at 6EDT
League: yep sounds good
I have your settler out
me: No problem will not end turn till we get it right
League: moved 4S of our cap
on roads
10:22 AM me: Cool Wolfsbane is by the wines. Hug the coast I have it fog busted
League: btw
I read somewhere
that fog has nothing to do with barb spawning
10:23 AM me: FOW does
League: no barbs will spawn
2 tiles away from a unit or border
anyway, you want me to go 2W of the rice tile right?
me: Right anything lit up with LOS they wont spawn. If grey fair game
10:24 AM League: we got trade routes btw
yay!
me: 2 east of the Rice
On the hill
League: yep, I meant E
10:25 AM ok that's where the sign is
me: Yep I have rout lit up.
When I see him I will move warrior towards hill
League: perfect!
me: Be careful with him
10:26 AM League: I think it will be 6 T
I will be careful
there are now a lot of barbs
me: Yep have one threating capital
League: we killed 3 already at our S city of Tandoor
may need to get another vulture out
me: producing a 1 t warrior for insurance
League: seems very wise
10:27 AM me: Will love to get some chariots out for border security
I am thinking of eating the 2 turns anarchy for a 3 civic swap. HR/OR/VAS
10:28 AM League: at this point you would lose less...
me: 2 promo troops are hard to pass up
League: since you don't have all the cities
and workers can start some chops
me: Chops still go in while in anarchy right
League: btw I just chopped into 2 more workers
re: chops in anarchy
10:29 AM I think so
me: I need a bunch have 2 in the cue
League: but I am not 100% sure
me: Cant imagine the hammers dissapear
League: I cannot either...
but better safe than sorry
double check
got response from Krill
vague and dry
me: Of course
10:30 AM League: I think they are bent on attacking around T100
I proposed NAP until t100 or t120
they took t100
me: 100 is fine
get some spears since he has horse
League: right now, I'd like to build cities...
me: And of course LB's
10:31 AM League: yeah...
me: You doing vassalage
League: ugh so many things to do
re: vassalage, probably not immediately
but may do HR/Vas
OR useless and expensive...
me: Ok maybe we can work out a deal for LB's for settlers
League: I'd love that deal
10:32 AM since you'll get Vas
me: Can you start a road my way?
League: I discussed that with sunrise too
I'd happily chop settlers for you guys
only issue is that I don't grow while building by hand
but chops will go in @45H each
10:33 AM me: Yeah but you do get a discount
League: right
again I am very happy
to work a deal to benefit us both
me: Need a road though. Which means workers. Chop chop choppity chop
10:34 AM League: right
so since our bonus is for settlers
I'd very much chop those
I can build a road too...
me: Yep I am chopping tons of workers I only have 2
10:35 AM If I can set up a 3 turn pump for LB's and sent them to you for settlers that will help
League: that sounds very good
do you have an ETA for that?
or rather
let's try to get an ETA for that
me: Yes
League: I'd like to snatch a couple of spots from krill
10:36 AM but I also want to keep you happy
btw is sunrise getting Feud
I think he said he is
me: yep
League: can you share the deal?
I am a bit concerned that sunrise is very weak right now
me: Sending me a couple hill 2 LB's for it Actually you want to get them and send me another settler?
League: I think I'd like that
10:37 AM now I know that 2LBs
are more than 1 settler
me: he can leave them unpromoted
League: but we'll compensate you
I very much appreciate this deal
me: Vulture escort?
League: for settler?
me: yeah shoule even it out abit?
10:38 AM League: sure... but can that wait a bit...
we have 2 vultures up N
and with chopping settlers
me: I meant for the second settler for the LB's
League: ah ok
10:39 AM I was going to say
me: 2 2 promo lb's for a Vulture and settler
League: that I don't have a good place to build a vulture right now
I can give you temporarily a warrior
for MP
me: Saves walking time
League: lend-lease
me: I have warriors for mp
Need to kill bargs
barbs
10:40 AM I start a road from my end soon
10:43 AM League: sorry afk
sounds good
10:44 AM me: Me to
League: how about in principle
a deal like this:
4 LBs for 4 Settlers + vulture/spear
I will give you a vulture as soon as I can
I dare say 5-10turns
but need to check
10:45 AM me: So the 2 LB's from Sunrise and 2 more from me I get 4 settlers and 1 vulture
League: wait 2 settlers
10:46 AM me: Ok I was gonna jump on that
League: sorry to dissapoint you
deliver of LBs
me: 2 Settlers and 2 vultures for 4 LBs
League: at your leisure
me: I can build spears
League: I don't mean to be haggling and want to keep you happy
10:47 AM but the bonus on settlers is 50%
actually I think that's ok
n/m
me: About 67 hammers for settler 35 for Vulture but you are getting 2 promo LB's remember that
League: yes true
me: My LB's do steriods
League:
10:48 AM the deal is good
delivery time is a bit tricky
me: Ok I need to send first two I build to my defensive city in the tundra the next two are yours. I will have sunrise deliver the first two asap
10:49 AM League: Since we "may have" a NAP with krill
me: Actually I will chop a galley and send it to sushi I have two sites north of horse to settle
League: the delivery of LBs is not crcial
oh that's good
ferry settlers there!
me: we can work out delivery. I have pleanty of sites and plan on rexing right now
League: good
10:50 AM from my perspective
delivery of LBs around T90-95 is find
fine
me: Sunrises definatly that soon
League: LBs are probably fine for barbs too
me: Good for first settler pair
League: actually I'd like as many as possible for T100
that's some 23T from now
10:51 AM me: yep will whip chop as fas as I can
League: another thing I'd like to borrow/buy
is a sentry chariot
me: Ok should be able to do that
League: cool
me: Lots to do
League: need to go now...
but in summary
2Settlers + 2 vultures for 4LBs
10:52 AM I will act in good faith and try to do them as fast as possible
I would like however to try to snatch at least one site from krill
a bit far from us...
10:53 AM btw, krill has 6 cities already
for war, I have a suggestion for galley based invasion
but that later...
byw now
me: later

[Broker33]

Turn 77

Tech trades are all done went from last to first in score in 2 turns

Tech group is now confirmed to everybody else

Going to triple swap next turn and start trying to expand. Lots to do too little cities to do it. Need workers bad. I have 2 right now will whip 1 our of stock next turn before swap. will have 4 soon think I need 8

Get two long bows out soon to Lins for city 5.

[Broker33]

A note on the tech trades. I picked up 12 techs which is why I had the large jump in scores.

Not expanding earlier is looking to be more of a problem than I thought. I need to do too much and dont have enough cities to do it.

Need workers in a bad way and settlers which slow down growth. I can whip but need to grow to happy cap.

I think I will try to grow while building grainarys and barracks and then start churining out units. I think stock will make a decent military pump while Customs makes settlers and workers.

Another note I noticed where the Iron is. Right in the area I ceeded to the Lins. May have to have a chat with them about that.

[Broker33]

Just an update as alot has happened.

First my kills so far

1 Lion
3 Bears
3 Wolves
6 Barb Warriors


I have 4 cities now Real Estate was just settled by the Lins and gifted over to me.

Customs double pop whipped the grainary with enough overflow to finish the barraks in 1 turn. This was an accident but worked out for me. Going to build 2 LB's and triple pop whip a settler for the back door defensive city.

Workers are frantically working but there just arent enough of them I will try to get more.

I will post a more detailed report later. Hopefully with pics. Current plans are to grow and whip and grow some more.