Grimjack Wrote:In spite of me dry report, I had lots of fun playing.
Grimjack
You can see the report here.
http://www.skorpan.org/Tommy/civ/Epic47/Epic47.htm
Ouch. It's really never worth to refuse the demand.
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Epic47 - You've Got To Be Kidding Me - Reports and Discussion
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As promised, after having a chance to read through some of the other games, here's some more commentary.
microbe: Wow, what an impressive game!  Of the ones I've read so far, you seem to have been the most dominant at the earliest date. Congratulations on playing it out to victory, though I admit I'm a bit intimidated by that clock time. I'm particularly impressed by the fact that you managed to achieve a position of tech leadership by the beginning of the Middle Ages despite narrowly missing the Great Library. Obviously that was due to getting Philosophy/Currency first, but what I wanted to know was how you got into a position to be the one to research Philosophy first. You report didn't talk much about your early trades; any more information you could provide on how you reached that position would be informative. I certainly was in no position to research anything first at that point in time! I also noticed you benefitted a lot from early tech steals; a good strategy, as long as you're prepared to fight a war if you fail! I certainly was in no comparable position in my game. Looks like the tech pace was much slower in your game as well, no doubt due to your warring. A very nice job!Lee: Yikes, it sounds like everything went wrong at an early date. You didn't provide too many details about the early going, but it sounds like you weren't able to get into the trading loop and the AI civs zipped on past. Was that due to not being able to find the civs? I'd love to hear more details, if you don't mind talking more about a difficult game.  Obviously getting embroiled in a war after that was the last thing you wanted to do! I was lucky to avoid getting forced into a war I didn't want in my game. Dunedine: If you need a place to host your report online as a Word document I can provide a little space, although I believe that Realms Beyond can host it for you too (that would probably be a better bet). Kylearan: The Epics stalwart comes through again it seems. Your landgrab looks like it was stunted by the AI civs; did they steal those sites out from under your nose, or were you held back by having to pursue the Great Library? I ended up with about half again as many initial cities as you did, so I wonder what the difference was. Getting the Library was of course the pivotal move, probably eventually the game-winning move. You were certainly successful in warring to expand your territory, that 1000AD picture has a lot more land than the 190BC one! Congratulations on a game well played and well won.  Grimjack: Wow, I didn't see that one coming. For anyone out there, this is why you cave to the AI demands when you aren't in a position to fight! The game ended a little too soon for any real comparisons, but why did you choose to put Sparta where you did? Was that due to the influence of the barbs? It was certainly a strong location, but lacked the food bonuses of some of the other locations. That picture from 590BC is priceless though, a very colorful collection of units come to finish you off!  vmxa: Thanks for your kind words, they are appreciated. One other thing I've noticed from these games that stands out: some players were able to benefit significantly from trading Alphabet in the early game, something which I wasn't able to do. This mostly depended on who you met first when exploring; several people traded Alphabet for Masonry and Ceremonial Burial with Cleo, but I met India/Carthage/Korea first - all civs who start with Alphabet. Getting behind the 8 ball on technology right from the start had a powerful influence on the rest of the Ancient Age in my game, and I think it helped out microbe to beeline for Philosophy in his game. Usually in a normal game, everyone will contact the same civs at the same times, but in a map like this, everyone was likely to explore in different directions and get different initial trading results. It's fascinating to see how those early deals helped shaped the course of the rest of the Ancient Age. Still waiting for Sirian to post whatever info he has on the full list of changes (beyond those already mentioned) and to see whatever unusual way he chose to approach this game. 
Sulla, I do have my turn logs here for every trade. I'll write up something to list them. Thanks for the interest and compliment!
Yeah I got lucky with two steals (Feudalism/Republic), but I don't think that mattered too much. Maybe delay Republic for a few turns. I had a lot of gold at that point. Stealing Feudalism is just because I was mad at losing GL.
Here are a more detailed logs for contacts and trading since it seems important information that people are interested in.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.p...stcount=21
Wow, I hope this works. Enjoy the report!
4,000 BC- Looks to be a good starting position. I have no strategy so far. Expecting to have my butt kicked. Start a hoplite(this is a mistake) 3,700 BC- switch hoplite to warriorâ¦Gih this wasted one shield 3,650 BC- Warrior complete. Sent east. Start another warrior. 3,450 BC- Uh-Oh, This is a high difficulty level⦠Athens needs an entertainer. Next warrior will be MP. 3,000 BC- 1st settler trained out of Athens, he heads east to be settled to be settled 3 squares away from Athens. 2,750 BC- Ummm, 71 turns for iron working, at 100%. You got to be kidding me. Did my pushing it to 100% this late cause it to take longer. Met India now, they have Warrior code, Cerem. Burial and I have nothing 2,670 BC- another warrior sent west. 2,550 BC- spot a Persian warrior with my first warrior. They have 4 techs, I have none. Im gonna lose arenât I? 2,510 BC- Sparta trains a warrior and he is sent north 1,910 BC- Thermopylae founded west of Athens 1,830 BC- Met Carthage, once again, they have about 5 more techs than me. 1,700 BC- Finally trade a bunch of gold to the Koreans(who I met this turn) for Ceremonial burial, which is basically useless. 1,550BC- Egypt passes by, they have 7 more techs than me(how do you guys win on such high difficulties) 1,475BC- I pay a good amount of money for pottery, thatâs 2 techs⦠oh righ. I learned Iron working a little while ago, but all 5 of my opposing civs had it. Time for 0% science science. 1,075 BC- Pay for masonry, nothing going on⦠except im falling behind in techs. Iâve only aquired 4 techs this whole game. 1,000 BC- Paid for warrior code. ARGG 900 BC- OK, itâs 900 BC, and I have 0 gold, o gpt, and 0% research. I have six cities. Everyone around me has 4 or 5 techs more than me. What have I done wrong!!!??? 710 BC- first war started a little bit ago, I think it was India and Persia vs. Carthage, Xerxes asked me to help him without giving me anything in return⦠I told him where to stick it. 570 BC- This war turned into a very large war, with people recruiting, 3rd parties coming from no where with no alliances attacking one of the teams. Itâs a war I think I will wait through. Being in the center of the map does not help. About 4 AIâs units are passing through my land with no ROP, I hope they donât attack me!! 450 BC- going 100% science on writing, not too long for that. Ummm, Persia is in the middle ages. 250 BC- What I need is a good monarch challenge⦠not this test of how long I could last. But oh well. EVERYONE else is in the middle ages while I am trying to get literature. I have 4 % of the world. Largest opponent has 11%. I am sooooooo screwed. -Those arrows point to places where I will have cities, but donât now 30 AD- STILL in the Ancient times, after one turn of building the Great Library the Persians built it. There goes the game. I will fight on! 170 AD- 14 cities and 5 % of the world now, still in Ancient. 530 AD- Wahhhhhhhh, still in the ancient times. The war allowed me to expand my borders into the Indians old land + some of my cities are getting temples/librarys. Next I will try to settle on as much of the territory as I can. I now have 6% of the world. 590 AD- Those AI are really beating the shiz monkeys out of each other. Iâm lucky theyâre not just obliterating me⦠could be a side affect of the Hoplites. 710 AD- This is a sad display. Only one more tech to get into middle ages. Itâs currency which the AI are hoarding. 720 AD- Finaly traded myself into the middle ages. I got Engineering and traded that to Carthage for monarchy(they wouldnât give me anything else). Carthage was the only civ still way back in the beginning of the middle ages. 760 AD- The first lucky thing to happen to me all game just happened. The Persians destroyed the Indians. I was paying the Indians 20 gpt and well⦠now Iâm not. 820 AD- I am thinking about stopping this horrid stand still. There is no chance of me winning any type of victory let alone domination. I will probably soon be 1 age behind. Persia could at any moment turn and destroy me. They own 16% of land, I own 6. I donât have enough money to research at a reasonable pace. And to top it all off, the AI refuse to sell me ANY of their techs for almost any price. I am going to end this session and think it over. NO! I am not going to quit my first epic. That would be a disgrace! Iâll push on, starting with building marketplaces in all of my cities! IâM SHOUTING A LOT! 870 AD- Finally at 7 %!!! YAY, just bought a territory map of the Koreans for 150 gold(out of my 175!). They extend to the edge of the map! Almost 900 AD- Carthage actually asked for MY help against Germany, I had a good chuckle and said good bye. 930 AD- 1080 points!? How did I get that many! Whatever 960 AD- 8 % of the world! I never expected to get up to that! Last civ prices are too expensive for me. 1030 AD- I forgot to mention, a couple turns back the Egyptians were eradicated. I JUST got the screen shots to work so Iâll go back and load where ever I saved. This is my situation in 1030 AD, notice the huge Persian SODâs to my north. 1070 AD- Carthago - Germanic peace treaty. World peace? I suspect not for long. 1120 AD- Persia just declared war on Koreans, what did I tell you. World peace my foot. Iâm prepping my settlers to move in. 1130 AD- Persia just got into the industrial era on the turn I finished The Republic, Iâm now revolting to it. I pulled a mediocre 5 turn anarchy. 1140 AD- Pergamon finally flipped to the Persians. I canât say Iâm surprised. 1230 AD- Celts joined the war on the Koreans side a couple turns back(YAY). My FP is done in 2 turns in Corinth. 1240ADArtemisium gone 1270 AD- Economically, I was on the Koreans side by buying 2 luxuries from them. Militarily, I was barely on my side with such a small military. 1290 AD- Paid a HUGE per turn payment for THIS. It looks like a puzzle, of which I am the smallest. 1330 AD- beep beep beep, beeeeeeeep beeeeeeep beeeeeeeeeep.WHATS THAT? I thought I heard you say Persia attacked us and met little resistance and they captured 6 cities. You DID say that! OH CRAP. PULL BACK TO THE CAPITOL!!!!! SIGN A MUTUAL PROTECTION PACT WITH KOREA. SIGN A MILITARY ALLIANCE WITH CARTHAGE. We knew this would happen eventually. My few Hoplites rush to make a last stand at Athens. This is my first, and probably last war this game. ⦠grumble grumble⦠Iâm a stupid Persian guy⦠and Iâm gonna sneak attack a guy who has 10 Hoplites⦠meh meh meh⦠-That took me about 5 hoplites to do. Ooops, there goes Athens 1350 AD- Ok, so what do I do now? I give my cities with no defenders to a neutral nation so my citizens live on. 1355 AD- I revolt by my choice, getting a merciful 4 turn anarchy. I live on! 1355- 1360 AD- KOREA SIGNS A PEACE TREATY WITH PERSIA. Breaking our MPP!!! My brave Hoplites defend Rhodes and hold them off. I revolt to feudalism for the unit support. Why doesnât Persia just finish me off? There goes Rhodes. Only Troy left(1380 AD) I revolt again because I forgot the feudalism got war weary. 1445 AD- I am deciding to end this I will attack that convoy of Celtic units. 1445 AD- This year brings an end to the feeble Greek kingdom. THE DEFEAT SCREENS Maybe monarch, but not chiefton. âAll your base belong to usâ Yea well you canât speak correctly Brennus. -Carthage being weakened -The beginnings of Indiaâs destruction, and half way through Egyptâs -Destruction of India - The norm in terms of territory for a long time - The last ânormalâ turn -Those 2 German cities that were mine before I gave to them, and the Inca one I gave to them. My last city gone. Final thoughts This game was pretty uneventful. Probably because I was so far behind in tech and I was terrified of the AI. Some things I shouldâve done were go straight for The Great Library⦠and thatâs about it. I knew some opponent would eventually catch on and figure out I was an easy 7% of the world. They may have even declared war on me because of my aggressive city building. The Koreans were my best buds in the end, we had a MPP. We were gracious. Everyone liked me at the end except for Persia. Well that was an interesting dive into a higher difficulty than I should be playing at. I did lose, however, I am proud of the fact that I outlasted 2 other civilizations. Thank you Sirian for a fun map and concept! There you have it. In all of it's glory. My first RBCiv epic!
Oh no. Well the pictures didn't come out but there's a bunch of... writing. I feel stupid. I'll try something else.
Yiou understand? We all have computer problems... right? How would I get it on here as a HTML? How would I have Realms Beyond host it? ARGG. Atleast next time I'll know, and I won't cause problems.
http://C:\Documents and Settings\Mom\My ...reece2.doc
Oh, please let this be my last post trying to get this to work. If it does then let me tell you word isn't the most beautiful program ever. |
