WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Doctor Saul]

When exactly did you start suspecting Muriel, Kate? And why?

[Lady Elizabeth]

Well I just noticed, sister mary, has not posted at all since the 21st. It would have been better to me to duel her... The only other logical targets are Muriel, because there's a good chance she'll be a distraction everyday until she dies, and Kate for lurking and making strange posts like wasting a post on "I'm not voting". Muriel supports mean strongly in the duel. Kate did vote for me in the duel but doesn't support me as strongly. So I would feel comfortable voting her. I need to reread her posts to she how scummy they are.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Well, reading Muriel attack against John is a bit amusing. Despite it's insulting nature John's reaction is a bit over the top... I feel that it is not possible to insult what someone does without insulting the person. Because the person has to have a flaw that cause him to error. So I'm not mad at Muriel but I could see why others would be...

[Lady Elizabeth]

Well I read Sister Mary's and Kates post. They are about as scummy (considering that Mary has not posted a lot) but Kate has presented an excuse and strongly supports me in the duel. So my vote stays on Mary unless she shows up before lynch with an excuse on why she did not show up.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Just catching up:

If you think that John is a villager. It is obviously better to kill me because he's a watcher do to what happened in the thread. I disagree though.

This is what I believe: that he and you are about equal with regard to village lean - I wouldn't choose to lynch either but that's by the by - but he is both more valuable as a power role, and contributing better IMO. Yes this is with a fraction of your spam.

If you really feel that there's an equal chance that I and John are wolfs than there is no need to analyze further. It's better to keep the watcher rather than someone who will become a plain villager. What I find strange is that you say his role-claim makes a difference. Especially, because watcher can be a scum role.

I've skimmed these pages and I love how people forgot the metagame argument that happened because of my first post...

I love how you forget that I (and others) strongly disagreed with that meta...

I haven't forgotten about that... I still feel that you didn't understand the argument.

I'll just point out that I was pretty sure that he was a villager because it would not make sense for him to say "I'm in danger of being lynched" if he could just claim watcher.

You mean wolf right? If so, this is a horrible reason to put your life on the line to lynch someone - hell, its not even worth a vote. People can still be lynched with a powerrole, especially ones that are alignment ambiguous like watcher. And yet you jump to him a s a wolf because of it.

What I meant to say is that he had no power-roles. He would not be able to live until the end of the game if he faked something like seer. So it makes sense to claim his real role, watcher.

[Lady Elizabeth]

John:

To clarify, it was Muriel and Rose screaming hysterically that I should mod-kill myself, not you. And then said that because I "quit" and then posted something afterwards I must be faking. I don't actually have much on you besides the power use being anti-town. Because you're trying to force the policy lynch and tried to fish whether I was a power role or not first.

--Okay, this makes sense. I would think that asking wheather you are our a power-role before dueling is pro-town. If I was wolf and you claim a power-role it would be very silly of me to fire. So it would be best to fire right away; if I fired when you failed to roleclaim or comment upon you roleclaiming.

By the way the people who actually pushed me into posting were the ones making actually constructive posts about it like bert/edith/will. BTW I watched Bert because I felt he was likely village and might be night killed for being one of the more active players. Thought this was obvious. And Will, I don't see what the point of stating town reads on players who aren't under suspicion is anyway.

-- Villager or wolf Bert is a very good choice to watch. He is extremely likely to be targeted by either team because (almost?) everyone in the thread seems to think he's town.

Also I ironically agree with Liz that it's weird that people just ignore the possibility that wolves have a tracker/watcher (which doesn't even necessarily have to be me.) I could be a wolf and still have the night info so I'm not sure why Muriel would immediately accuse me, specifically, of guessing.

-- I think it's more than a possibility. It's extremely likely that you have to right info because you would say that Bert visited Will if you didn't have legit info.

[Short Richard]

Small Richard: One of the low-contributors. In his big post today he first sides with Harry (who calls Scarlet scum ) but then turns around and votes Elizabeth because he has no strong feeling. I don't like that I don't like it at all.

@ Scarlet John
Why would you be assumed to be faking if you post something? If the village is pushing people for not contributing, and then they contribute, I don't see how that leads to them being automatically lynched for faking it. The whole point of pushing someone for not posting is to get them to post so we can get a read on them. If you come off as scummy then yes people may stay on you, but it's a fallacious argument to say that you will be lynched just for posting. You're creating a fabricated no-win situation you say you're in and it seems incredibly scummy.

Agree with Harry here.

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Elizabeth, since I'm not feeling any particularly strong conviction on either of them.

I agreed with Harry that

Then finally you come back and start making arguments even though you just admitted you don't have the time or the energy, but somehow you are suddenly reinvigorated and can participate like anyone else?

was a terrible reason to lynch Scarlet John.

Going to be out for deadline. If Sister Mary doesn't show up we just wait for the modkill tomorrow. On Elizabeth and John, I agree with Elizabeth that Scarlet John waiting to claim watcher after the duel and not before is suspicious.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Small Richard: One of the low-contributors. In his big post today he first sides with Harry (who calls Scarlet scum ) but then turns around and votes Elizabeth because he has no strong feeling. I don't like that I don't like it at all.

@ Scarlet John
Why would you be assumed to be faking if you post something? If the village is pushing people for not contributing, and then they contribute, I don't see how that leads to them being automatically lynched for faking it. The whole point of pushing someone for not posting is to get them to post so we can get a read on them. If you come off as scummy then yes people may stay on you, but it's a fallacious argument to say that you will be lynched just for posting. You're creating a fabricated no-win situation you say you're in and it seems incredibly scummy.

Agree with Harry here.

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Elizabeth, since I'm not feeling any particularly strong conviction on either of them.

I agreed with Harry that

Then finally you come back and start making arguments even though you just admitted you don't have the time or the energy, but somehow you are suddenly reinvigorated and can participate like anyone else?

was a terrible reason to lynch Scarlet John.

Going to be out for deadline. If Sister Mary doesn't show up we just wait for the modkill tomorrow. On Elizabeth and John, I agree with Elizabeth that Scarlet John waiting to claim watcher after the duel and not before is suspicious.

Oh, that's good. Going for the modkill. I'll switch off of Sister mary then and go with Kate or Muriel because they are the only ones under pressure. Why do you think Muriel's attack is a terrible idea to lynch John?

I've reread the thread and see that John was telling the truth about who pushed for a mod-kill.

[Fat Rose]

Unofficial Tally

Sister Mary (7) - Know-Nothing Jon, Fat Rose, Muriel the Slow, Half-Nose Harry, Lady Elizabeth, Bert the Bard, Young Will
Muriel the Slow (5) - Sir Percival, Rob the Filch, Short Richard, Kate the Waif, Agnes the Orphan
Kate the Waif (2) - Widow Edith, Doctor Saul

Not voting: Scarlet John, Sister Mary

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Scarlet John (8) - Bert the Bard, Fat Rose, Know-Nothing Jon, Muriel the Slow, Half-Nose Harry, Young Will, Kate the Waif, Lady Elizabeth
Lady Elizabeth (6) - Scarlet John, Widow Edith, Doctor Saul, Agnes the Orphan, Short Richard, Sir Percival

Not voting: Sister Mary, Rob the Filch

[Lady Elizabeth]

I really don't know who to vote for yet; but I don't know whether or not its possible for Kate the waif to get on the chopping block so I'll test that now.