WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Doctor Saul]

It's strange that widow didn't switch to Sister Mary at the end even after I prodded her. Combine with what happened at page 1 and she would be okay to lynch.

What!? You were telling everyone that you thought Edith would ninja vote Muriel and that would be extremely scummy.

Sister Mary

The only reason why it's close is because of the mod kill possibility being extremely good for town--an extra lynch is soooo good. If it weren't for that I would vote Mary because I like the people voting Muriel better, it's chessey for town to use mod-kills and I think Muriel is being sincere in her anger. Lastly, the fact the Mary has not posted at all for three days really pushes the possibilities of why she cannot post. Or she just she 'screw it!' and just chose to play this game like a bad boy.

I'm pretty sure that widow will move to Muriel after this. If Sister mary ninja votes Muriel dies 36-33. If she does ninja vote that is extremely scummy. I suggest some random voter on Muriel if it ends up 8-7 before deadline.

But now that she didn't she is also scummy!? This looks like you try to set up tomorrow's target regardless of the facts.

I would think the scummy thing to do after you dare her is to do the opposite of what you say is scummy - because you say voting for Muriel is scummy openly before.

That is bad logic at best.

[Lady Elizabeth]

There's just no way to react to a vote on :59:55 so something silly. So you put Muriel in danger of getting lynched. It's so obvious that I cannot see how a villager who is playing the game would overlook it.

Any wolf who puts his neck right on the line with a last-second killing of Muriel (if she turns out as villager) would be very very welcome. Honestly I take such a trade anytime that early in game. (At LyLo it is different)

Okay then...

[Lady Elizabeth]

It's strange that widow didn't switch to Sister Mary at the end even after I prodded her. Combine with what happened at page 1 and she would be okay to lynch.

What!? You were telling everyone that you thought Edith would ninja vote Muriel and that would be extremely scummy.

Sister Mary

The only reason why it's close is because of the mod kill possibility being extremely good for town--an extra lynch is soooo good. If it weren't for that I would vote Mary because I like the people voting Muriel better, it's chessey for town to use mod-kills and I think Muriel is being sincere in her anger. Lastly, the fact the Mary has not posted at all for three days really pushes the possibilities of why she cannot post. Or she just she 'screw it!' and just chose to play this game like a bad boy.

I'm pretty sure that widow will move to Muriel after this. If Sister mary ninja votes Muriel dies 36-33. If she does ninja vote that is extremely scummy. I suggest some random voter on Muriel if it ends up 8-7 before deadline.

But now that she didn't she is also scummy!? This looks like you try to set up tomorrow's target regardless of the facts.

I would think the scummy thing to do after you dare her is to do the opposite of what you say is scummy - because you say voting for Muriel is scummy openly before.

That is bad logic at best.

1. I changed my mind about who Widow would vote for after Widow prodded me and re-read her posts.
2. The rest of the post is outdated do to "1".

[Agnes The Orphan]

GG both of you.

[Doctor Saul]

1. I changed my mind about who Widow would vote for after Widow prodded me and re-read her posts.
2. The rest of the post is outdated do to "1".

You realize you influence it by calling her out, right?

[Muriel The Slow]

It was always a race between two villagers. Votes are a null tell, the wolves were free to do whatever they wanted. They've outplayed us so far, and they still have me set up for tomorrow. It will be 8 dead villagers and 1 dead wolf, barring anything unexpected. Reveal time though, I'm the double voter. Sadly it ain't as strong as it sounds, because I can't hide it. Can't disable it, can't split my two votes. The wolves would have figured it out eventually. I want you to keep me around for two reasons: we would be too low in numbers if I was lynched on Day 3, and keeping me alive forces the wolves to waste a night kill on me before double vote becomes too strong. If you do decide to lynch me tomorrow, I understand it. I think my actual posts are less scummy than a lot of other people, but I was wrong about two villagers who died today. People will want heads to roll, and mine will be the first. It would be a risk to not lynch me tomorrow, but a risk I think we need to take if we want to win. On the bright side, if I do get lynched tomorrow, at least it will give you a crap ton of interaction tells to use to find the wolves right away, instead of two or three or however many nights later when the wolves would kill me. They will delay and try to bluff as far as they can, but they will have to do it. It's in our best interests to keep me alive. I don't envy you guys for being in this situation and having to make a hard choice.

[Bert The Bard]

You wanted Will to leave Scarlet John's claim unconfirmed, but you claim your own ability at night when it only helps scum?

[Muriel The Slow]

You wanted Will to leave Scarlet John's claim unconfirmed, but you claim your own ability at night when it only helps scum?

How does it help scum?

[Kate The Waif]

Ugh.

When exactly did you start suspecting Muriel, Kate? And why?

I may have overreacted to the lurker accusation.

Okay, so, first, I want to point out what I think is a misconception. While I did not post anything about Muriel during the first day, I must remind everyone that I missed the entire last half of the first day. I suppose that I have no way to prove it, but I was completely gone between post #119 and when I started catching up on the 20+ pages that I missed just prior to post #336.

At the time of post #119, I did not think that Muriel was especially scummy; while posts #27 and #34 (the last name = role posts) were meta speculation, they appeared reasonable to me; or, at least, the idea that someone would think that appeared reasonable to me. Early in the first day when there is nothing else to use, meta does not bother me at all (with the exception of "let's find out who everyone is!" which was undermining the game), and this wasn't even exceptionally bad meta. It was during this catching up that Muriel began to appear scummy to me, starting around post #153, when Muriel made (what I thought was) a bald-face lie that she never said anything about last names being connected to power roles, when a lot of her previous posts were solely about that very subject. Dr. Saul's argument was also a contributing factor to me starting to suspect Muriel, but this was the main initial point. It just seemed so weird to make such a contradictory statement, like she was trying to sow confusion. She later made a clarification of what she meant, that there was some sort of communication error between her and Dr. Saul about the difference between power role and role, but honestly, that seemed and still seems like splitting hairs. I don't really understand how saying that last names are connected to roles, but not to power roles, then saying that "Power roles are the roles with the most power" (post #157) and "when I say roles, it included both power roles and the rest" (post #173) Maybe I'm just confused about that. Muriel, could you (re?)explain exactly what you meant here? Her repeated accusations of Dr. Saul lying (like about post #34 appearing scummy) also appeared incredibly hypocritical in light of this "lie." I mean, she even states in post #153 that "Catching someone in a lie is one of the biggest wolf tells we could get."

The last minute run that saved Muriel and lynched a villager, one that I thought was very non-scummy, which maybe wasn't so much of a run (I saw a post by Agnes about that I might have been misinterpreting how that lynch, but can't find it now), "sealed the deal, " so to speak. Post #392 sums up how I thought at the time.

That being said, Muriel has been doing a lot besides that now, some of which doesn't appear super scummy (I agree with Sister Mary appearing scummy, even though it turns out she was a villager, for example, and I suppose claiming a power role is neutral at worst). I still think that Muriel appears scummy, but I am less sure than I was, especially if this was lying business was all built on a misunderstanding. As it appears to me, I just don't understand how Muriel could have meant anything but what she said, so I still see a lie, but if she can explain, that would be great. I suppose I can't easily switch off her, of course, or I would appear to be wavering too much, but for now, at least, she still appears to be genuinely scummy.

[Sir Percival]

You wanted Will to leave Scarlet John's claim unconfirmed, but you claim your own ability at night when it only helps scum?

How does it help scum?

because scum can safely ignore double voter. not that they were going to kill muriel anyway since shes a wolf.