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Sent Zargon's draft and the UCiv draft.
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Post facto +1 to Z's draft  .
Darrell
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yes, great job with the diplo, all. UCiv sending us gold is a major coup. Getting CivFr to do the same would be great as well!
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(August 12th, 2013, 02:24)Lord Parkin Wrote: From UCiv:
Quote:Today we gave you 800 Gold.
I will gladly give you a dollar on Tuesday for a hamburger today!
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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Can we propose the idea to UCiv for them to steal Nationalism from us?
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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UCiv doesn't have enough EP to steal anything, and right now we want them generating gold instead of EP.
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OT4E of CivPlayers poked me for a brief chat:
Chat with CivPlayers Wrote:OT4E
hi Scooter
scooter
hey
OT4E
probably you are not waiting for our reply
scooter
yeah we're not, apolyton replied and pretty much answered for both of you
OT4E
but anyway your offer is nice, but we cant accept it  may be later we will be able to return to this talks
scooter
Yeah I figured. I am sort of surprised, I honestly think I would have taken it if I were in your shoes. But if you have previous agreements in the way, nothing we can do about that.
you guys are obviously well coordinated, so good job on that. you got MilTrad and then a ton of gold gifted to upgrade to Cuirs
I think enough for what, 15-20ish? That should be fun
OT4E
nothing can be hidden for long
seems that you have found good friends too
scooter
I'm just glad *someone* out there doesn't hate us. haha
so I have to ask. was this whole thing CFC's idea? or is that just spectacularly lucky for them?
well "hate" is too strong of a word, but someone that isn't aiming to see us die 
OT4E
no I dont think there is much blame of CFC
scooter
Anyway, I would wish you guys good luck, but I'd prefer that your luck isn't so good . And of course, let me know if you reach a point where you're not interested in further conflict, and I'd be happy to chat again and see what we can work out
OT4E
I am still sure in positive result for you, so there is no place for "hate" imho, just a good game. When you finally win you'd probably confirm that it wasnt that easy
too easy to be dull
I mean this
scooter
You've certainly made the game exciting, that's for sure.
not that it wasn't already, but especially so
OT4E
1 more thing
hope you understand that you must bring both WPC and UCIV into our agreement about changing civics
if you dont want to become burocratical when you get rifling
scooter
yeah... WPC isn't answering emails right now, I'll try to push them about it again. I should be able to bring UCiv in though, yes.
OT4E
I also can only promise about ourselves
CFC is against and I am worrying about it too
scooter
I think they would be the only ones against
but they definitely would not accept
I am thinking though
if we get everyone to agree, we might be able to pressure CFC into agreeing that way. Not sure
OT4E
how did the pre-start vote about this finish?
only CFC blocked this?
scooter
I think a couple random teams just voted "all espionage" without really understanding what they were voting for
OT4E
ah may be we voted for this too
scooter
because apolyton for instance voted for allowing these missions, then this agreement was their idea, hah
Quick notes:
1) Making sure the bridge does not burn as best as I can.
2) He reminded of the EP agreement stuff. I missed sending the poke to WPC previously, so I went ahead and sent it (messsage in tracking thread). I'm going to draft up a UCiv message about it in just a minute.
3) They know about UCiv gifting gold.
4) Every time I talk to UCiv and Apolyton they don't deny working closely together, but they do deny being close with CFC. Just take that for what it's worth: not a lot, but it's something to keep in mind. I just get the feeling the western two are committed to working together, and CFC is committed only to helping themselves. I tend to think this is the best angle to eventually break this thing up when the war gets going.
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Draft to UCiv:
Draft to UCiv Wrote:Yuufo,
Hey, idea for you guys to consider. Apolyton proposed an multi-nation agreement about EP missions. Here is the proposal:
* All teams that sign the agreement promise to never use civic or religion swap spy missions on any other team that signs the agreement for the remainder of the game, regardless of whether you are at war or peace with those teams.
Currently agreed is Realms Beyond and Apolyton. CivPlayers has promised to also agree if your team and WPC also agree. Are you interested in agreeing to not use those two spy missions? We feel they are not very fair missions, but since they are not banned, we figure we can use diplomacy to remove them. Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
scooter - Team RB
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Draft looks good...I notice you didn't mention CFC yet, which is a good idea IMO.
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Reg Draft to UnivCiv, we don't want to give them an impression that we already made our alliance public even after being told not to. By lumping WPC and UnivCiv together, it is kind of saying that...
Mwin
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