RB Pitboss #1 Spoiler -- Zara of the Holy Roman Empire

[plako]

Regoarrarr asked stone to be delivered nex turn (140). Is this alright? In your instructions this was supposedc to be turn 141.

[Broker33]

Regoarrarr asked stone to be delivered nex turn (140). Is this alright? In your instructions this was supposedc to be turn 141.

Yeah go ahead. Quicker I can get it back I suppose.

As for northern defense I have naps with everyone who can boat up there. A few additional defenders will be spread around at some point

[Broker33]

I played. Couple of barb axes are around. One close to the new city you've sent to your settler. War Elephant auto moved before I noticed so it is in the city spot and axe might attack next trun, but WE has very favourable odds. Another barb axe is SE from your capital and probably moves fur tile next turn. I moved HA that was closeby so that it can attack. It had 1 promotion unused so I'll give him Shock unless you want me to attack with just Combat2 (favourable odds even without shock). I also noticed that you trust your northern cities are very lightly defended. You probably trust your neighbours quite a lot. Do you've NAP with everyone cabable of doing Naval invasion?

Actually mounted units in capital can reach that fur tile in one shot. There is a chariot there with combat 1 shock. Axe shouldnt be a problem

WE can kill the other Axe that is why he is there.

[Cyneheard]

Do be aware that Chariots only get +100% against axemen when attacking. CI Shock against unpromoted barb axe would be favored, but 70%ish odds. This only-when-attacking has caught many a player, including even the mighty Sullla.

[Broker33]

Do be aware that Chariots only get +100% against axemen when attacking. CI Shock against unpromoted barb axe would be favored, but 70%ish odds. This only-when-attacking has caught many a player, including even the mighty Sullla.

Yep was aware of that. But if the Chariot does lose on the attack there are 3 HA's ready to follow up

[plako]

I gave stone out to regoarrarr and handled the barb axe 1 with Chariot from the capital. Barb axe 2 moved so that it is now 1E to the city I founded this turn. War Elephant is inside city as City Garrison.

[plako]

I've played some of the actions this turn, but not all. I suspect you've enough time to finish things. Especially I didn't see Marble on Regoarrarr that I could've requested.

[Broker33]

Well I am sure you have seen Regoarrarr's email that he is leaving. Here is a conversation with him. I am leaning towards not joining his group. Dont see the advantage with it. If I can get munroe to attack Kodi and we split his lands that is better for me.

11:15 AM Dan: there?
11:16 AM me: yep
Dan: got some time?
me: yeah still pretty tired and trying to figure wtf is going on
Dan: lol
where were you anyways?
me: My other game went in the tank I was invaded by gallions and macemen with only warriors defending
11:17 AM Dan: sp or mp?
me: Columbia SC
mp
Dan: ouch
me: yeah poped golden aged 1t for fuedalism, 1 turn archery then machinery for xbows arrow counter
11:18 AM Dan: okay so here's the deal
yaz is going to win this game
11:19 AM is has become very apparent that if we let him, he will just have a massive empire
he already has 20 cities
and if we let him tech along with everyone and not curtail his rampant expansion
nobody else will have a chance
11:20 AM me: true
Dan: it was also becoming clear to me, that if we kept in our current UTA / NUTA groupings
that nothing would change
and yaz would get all his techs for free
me: not necessairly was actually in a good position to crack them
but go on
11:21 AM Dan: so i resigned from our group
i have been negotiating with a few folks, in both groups
and want you on board
me: May I ask who is in the group?
Dan: yes
11:22 AM and i want to tell you
but here's where it gets dicey
if you choose not to be in the group
i'd really prefer you not sharing things with yaz
but not sure how i could police that,e ven if i wanted to, and i know that at some point it will become obvious anyways
does that make sense?
11:23 AM me: Yes but also cant make a decision unless I know what I am deciding
Dan: okay
i will tell you
i hope that you don't tell yaz
but i'll let you make your call
nothing is completely finalized yet
11:24 AM but the folks that i've been talking to are myself, shadyforce, dsplaited, kodii, sunrise and hopefully you
the thought is that i will try to keep yaz in check
dsp and shady will take on elkad
and you and kodii will take out munro (who has 13 ! cities, and the lowest power of anyone, so it should be easy)
me: trying for the 6 instead of the 5 makes sense
Dan: right
11:25 AM me: sorry gmail blanked out for a second
Dan: i just agreed that the 6 is better than the 5
11:26 AM plus we have most of if not all the really good techers
11:28 AM me: Lins arent included
Dan: right
my thought is that they have kind of given up on this game
just going through the motions
even now, i would have expected some sort of reaction about my email
but they haven't sent anything (at least not to me)
11:29 AM me: I have been away but you could have sent me something earlier
11:30 AM Dan: i thought you were gone
me: I was but I did check email sometimes . Last two days I didnt
Dan: ok
well i apologize for that - i was waiting for you to get back
me: have my laptop with me
11:31 AM well alot to digest
Dan: understood
11:32 AM but this is a pretty critical time too
so while i don't want you to feel rushed into a decision, it would be nice to know soon
me: trying to figure out what is in it for me and am reluctant to turn on Lins Have a border that is undefended with them and long term allies
Dan: i've kind of put all my cards on the table, even though that puts me at a pretty big disadvantage if you turn
11:33 AM i agree and here are my personal thoughts on the lins
that i have not shared with the former-nuta guys
nobody's planning on attacking them
they may be somewhat frozen out of the tech loop for awhile
but it's very possible that in 20 turns things shift again and we can catch them back up
11:34 AM i just find it odd that in the 3 or so days since i sent my email
that they have not sent anything to me
apparently not to you either?
and not to sunrise either
me: true
Dan: if they were really trying to actively play this game, why not?
you'd think they'd be scrambling hard core!
me: He was running my other game talked to him abit last night when I got home
Dan: i mean you've seen the drastic difference (probably due to RL) in their amount of participation in the last 80 turns as opposed to the first 80
11:35 AM i mean RL happens, and i don't mean that you have to spend tons of time on a game
11:36 AM but still, if i'm picking allies, i want ones that are active
me: understandable.
11:37 AM trying to figure out how this helps me other than the teching
11:38 AM Dan: picking up lots of munro land?
me: that would be difficult I would be split by Kodi then
11:39 AM Dan: oh my maps aren't great in that area
i thought you bordered munro
me: water
Dan: lovely continued cooperation with awesome ol me? :-P
11:40 AM me: lol
hang on got to call my wife. Not about this but she called
Dan: heh
"honey? what should i do in this game?"
11:42 AM me: This is a very tough decision. I will need to weigh my options
Dan: ok
what kind of timeline should we look for an answer?
11:43 AM me: Next day or so
Dan: ok
me: need to see in game some stuff and I am quite tired from my trip.
I have to go again in a week
Dan: yeah
me: moving down there
Dan: columbia?
me: week between xmas and newyears
11:44 AM Yeah got an offer. Not one I am happy about but it is a job
Dan: right
did i tell you they're doing layoffs at my job in jan/feb?
me: cincy job didnt pan out
11:45 AM Dan: shoot
me: not the end of the world. Got some extra money out of them not a ton though


9 minutes

11:55 AM Dan: well, hope to hear from you soon
i also don't really like leaving out the lins
but i felt that with their RL issues it seemed necessary
me: Yeah that is a tough one
Dan: and like i said, there may be a way to get them back in down the road
it's just that if we don't do something now, we might as well not play the last 100 turns, because yaz is going to win

[Broker33]

And of course Yaz is interested in talking. Got a settler and 2 workers

11:14 AM me: easier to talk out here
yazilliclick: yeah
So you weren't approached at all?
That surprises me
11:15 AM me: what is surprising?
yazilliclick: That you weren't approached for the new rego alliance
me: Got an email after he left that he wants to talk
thats it
if it is after he left I would think he is set
yazilliclick: hmm maybe he rushed it.
11:16 AM me: hmmm chatting me up now
yazilliclick: What were your relations like with him?
I'm guessing I must have spooked him a bit when I settled his border.
11:17 AM me: Relations were ok but he never seemed invested
yazilliclick: Yeah well he was trying to organize a new super alliance way back with Krill. Continued with me after I started playing.
Was pretty obvious it was going to be run in his favor though.
11:18 AM me: well even I try to negotiate things in my favor
yazilliclick: Yeah but normally both parties get a bit of something
me: any idea what the new alliance is?
I try to be fair while I get a bigger bit
yazilliclick: I know for sure rego, dsp and sunrise.
11:19 AM me: well he is chatting me so ...
yazilliclick: I suspect elkad but I don't know. And if he's only approaching you now then he tried to rush it because he's worried.
me: I am not nearly as weak as people belive
yazilliclick: No you did a pretty good job spooking kodii :P
11:20 AM me: not as good as everybody else and a bit slow but I am doing ok
so far you are the devil
yazilliclick: Yeah. Odly I'm not as strong as people think lol
11:21 AM me: You economy must be crap
yazilliclick: I could probably take out rego if needed but it'd basically set me way too far back to come back in this game.
But I could make sure he doesn't get through to end.
me: ah now he want sme
me
yazilliclick: figured as much
11:22 AM Anyways if you want another option then I'm looking to setup something else.
Needless to say it's a bit of a scramble but I'm probably more open to negotiation.
me: I still do want to win probably cant but not gonna shoot myself in the foot
Options are open
11:23 AM yazilliclick: Well we haven't gotten to speak much and I have paid too much attention to your situation.
11:24 AM I've got munro. Pretty sure I can get lins. I get you and our sea in the middle is completely safe for transporting help between us.
me: lins and me on opposite sides would not work well
yazilliclick: Pretty sure he doesn't have Lins. Was talking to him last night.
11:25 AM Can't be sure someone is being honest but he says he wasn't approached at all.
me: I appear to be the swing vote here
11:26 AM yazilliclick: Well if you could let me know some goals that you'd want accomplished then I could better see how that could fit in a plan.
me: right now I need an influx of settlers and workers more than anyting
11:27 AM yazilliclick: Funny, I'm pretty good at making those
me: then I can look at expaning out of my area
yazilliclick: As you may have noticed hehe
11:28 AM How much room do you have left to settle? I don't know at all what the borders are like south of you.
11:29 AM me: I think 6-8 primary sites and I can probably squeeze 2-3 fillers
yazilliclick: Ah so quite a bit more room to grow.
me: tundra crab but has resources and rathas make it viable
yazilliclick: How good are you at researching?
11:30 AM me: Ok getting better. 150bpt now goes up every turn
11:31 AM Just checked 159bpt.
yazilliclick: Well if you want to come up with a deal of settlers and workers that you think would be fair to join our side as a techer then lit me know. I'm quite open to that idea.
me: I have ideas and I know who is in thier group now
yazilliclick: Willing to share?
Save me time of talking to wrong people :P
me: probably but not right now
11:32 AM yazilliclick: bah hehe
11:33 AM Well I'll tell you this. I've got one settler and a couple of workers I could start heading in your direction right away if you came over the light side :P
I've got the two traits to make sure you get the rest fairly quickly.
You can talk to Munro if you like to understand I'm a pretty fair dealer and willing to help out others.
me: Ok reading two conversations
11:34 AM yazilliclick: And with Munro as an aly and being on sea with you it makes for safe path to get them down to you.
11:35 AM Can you comfirm whether Lins is with him or not?
me: Lins is not which is good for your side....
11:36 AM yazilliclick: Yeah so don't think you'd want in a position with Lins, Myself and munro as enemies.
11:37 AM me: You are willing to provide settlers and workers on a fairly quick pace?
11:38 AM yazilliclick: Define fairly quick? And what sort of deal are you willing to sign? Obviously I don't want to provide things fairly quick. slow down my infrastracture and then find you just switch over once you have them.
11:41 AM me: I dont operate that way
It will be a fair deal
11:42 AM yazilliclick: Well let me look about how fast I could reasonably get three.
me: I dont expect them all for free I could provide units or techs
11:45 AM You said you have a settler and 2 workers available
yazilliclick: I do.
me: I give you the list of others can I have them
11:46 AM Good faith move on both our parts
11:47 AM yazilliclick: Seems like a lot to give for a good faith. Good faith gesture as start of a partnership?
me: LOL yeah its a high price but yes towards the start of a partnership
11:48 AM yazilliclick: I'll agree provided your info isn't just that rego is going solo for hire
me: When you see the list you should be able to figure out the way I will lean
11:49 AM yazilliclick: ok
me: nothing is completely finalized yet
but the folks that i've been talking to are myself, shadyforce, dsplaited, kodii, sunrise and hopefully you
yazilliclick: deal
me: send them
yazilliclick: :P
That's an exact quote form him?
me: Yes
11:50 AM yazilliclick: OK. Is there any other juice parts of the chat you could give me? :D
me: Seems hell bent on you not getting that info
yazilliclick: Oh yeah. He's chatting to me now, pretending he's innocent and all on his own.
Which is obviously bullshit.
me: He plays it pretty close to the vest
11:51 AM So based solely on that list as an outside observer where lies my best chance
yazilliclick: Hard to play it close to the vest when he was trying to recruit me before and dsp already basically told me there was an alliance.
I don't know. Guess it depends on whether you want all your enemies around you and your allies far away and unable to help. Or you rallies around you and one enemy on your most defendable border that he backed down from.
11:52 AM me: One front is the way to fight
When I am up to 18 cities dont you think regoarrarr my think me a threat...
11:53 AM yazilliclick: He won't think you a threat until I'm gone probably.
And I'm on his border now like I told you.
11:54 AM Which I think is what set this all off.
me: I have to think but first though is munro and I split Kodi up
Imhotep probably falls
yazilliclick: If kodii is over there then I'm fine with it but I want to talk to him first. And Elk as well.
Actually you probably know Elk better don't you?
11:55 AM me: Elkad is in trouble
11:56 AM yazilliclick: Yeah could be. I really need to get in touch with shady
me: shady is with them so either splitting up imho or elkad
yazilliclick: He was swearing he would never make peace with rego. So I'm wondering if rego is just still talking to him.
11:57 AM me: Well I have gunpowder next turn so drafted muskets should help him out
yazilliclick: That'd be nice Would you be willing to send that tech up?
11:58 AM me: probably could come to an agreement
yazilliclick: hehe
me: I have a nap with Kodi that last another 10-12 turns may just have to signal my intent not to continue it
need to get on board with munro though has to be a 2 sided hit
11:59 AM yazilliclick: OK well I'll send him a message about our chat.
me: If you can provide the settlers and workers I need I can switch to military
12:00 PM alright I really need to think this one out but I am leaning towards opting out of regoarrarrs group
12:01 PM yazilliclick: I'll say I'll tentatively agree. I want to speak with mhk just to try and comfirm they're with him or where they'll be going.
Or whether they are going to put the effort into the game to be useful at all.
Can you get in touch with Elk?
12:02 PM me: Believe the good faith was huge torwards my ability to make a deciion. I just want to make sure as you can understand
I can try he dosent always answer
yazilliclick: k. Well I'm going to send messages out in the next hour to some people. I'll be around later if you want to talk to finalize things.
me: I may have to send him some troops to help out
12:05 PM yazilliclick: OK. Well how do you want the units I owe you transfered down?

[Broker33]

Email from Kodi, he is going to be dissapointed. I plan on announcing the 10 turn cool down period soon. Need to find out if Munro can prepare for war soon though. Dont want to tip my hand.

Gunpowder in I traded it for lib from elkad.

You must have heard about the goings-on as of late. I am very excited because this finally provides us the opportunity to be on the same side. I have always honoured our relationship, and I feel like we can take it further should we end up as allies rather than enemies. Thoughts?

- Kodii