WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Qgqqqqq]

Okay guys how about we stop revealing stuff? Like, now. Damage has been done, let's not make it worse.

Ryan, why did you investigate Lewwyn of all people?

Brick, if you made a mistake in results last night, let us know please. If Brick does not let us know that he made a mistake, then I'll just assume MJW is lying either about being visited or about not being visited, since he has claimed both.

Seriously? In that case why don't we just ask Brick to confirm all the recent claims? That should save us some trouble.

Strongly agree with this. And now I really need to be getting to sleep

[Jowy]

Brick, if you made a mistake in results last night, let us know please. If Brick does not let us know that he made a mistake, then I'll just assume MJW is lying either about being visited or about not being visited, since he has claimed both.

Seriously? In that case why don't we just ask Brick to confirm all the recent claims? That should save us some trouble.

If he screwed up his results in a way that affects the game, he should inform us. It's not fair for the town if MJW gets lynched for lying if the only reason he "lied" was because the game master got the results wrong at first. Don't you agree?

[Lewwyn]

Brick, if you made a mistake in results last night, let us know please. If Brick does not let us know that he made a mistake, then I'll just assume MJW is lying either about being visited or about not being visited, since he has claimed both.

Seriously? In that case why don't we just ask Brick to confirm all the recent claims? That should save us some trouble.

If he screwed up his results in a way that affects the game, he should inform us. It's not fair for the town if MJW gets lynched for lying if the only reason he "lied" was because the game master got the results wrong at first. Don't you agree?

Well it is a role madness game.

[MJW (ya that one)]

It's still not fair.

I don't think it's possible for lewwyn to be a SK because he would have no way of making it to the end of the game. So he is telling the truth or is a wolf trying to live one more day.

I have to go to bed now. I'll leave my vote on old harry as it seems that Qgqqqq is a bit flippit with me. I really do like the fact that novice and qgqqqq seem eagar to screw over the town. I will be able to post at around 4pm my time.

[Ryan]

If I live tonight il keep on but I don't see myself living. I'm hoping someone can track who costs me or protect me

[Mattimeo]

unvote

Lewwyn is so hilariously SK again

[Jowy]

On the reveals, Ryan's reasoning for investigating Lewwyn is good. As for the results, I can see why you think you had to reveal, Ryan. You might even have been right about that. Being able to kill is dangerous, and most who are able to do that are not aligned with the town. And while you are wrong about both of you being dead for sure (this is a role madness game, remember that), it is true that you could die the next night since you're down to one clone. Lewwyn's reaction is suspicious. Leaving breadcrumbs behind is something a SK might do to have some insurance policy if he gets caught, after all if he's dead then he has lost the game. A town vigi would not have the same problem, and would be dumb to leave hints of his vigi role, and we know these ones weren't accidental. Lewwyn claiming vigi first before changing it to doctor seems strange.. If you are town and you think you have to come clean, you do it, you don't stretch the truth, that would be counterproductive.

But Lewwyn did kill us a scum and get wounded last night, which kinda rules out him being scum, right? Well, there is another option. He could be 3rd faction scum, who killed Azza from the other faction and got his clone night killed by the other faction. He's been saying that there are two scum factions, who'd know better than a member of one? A third scum faction would fit with the breadcrumbs clue, their numbers would be lower than normal scum and one death would be nearly as crippling as it'd be for a SK, so it'd make more sense to have some insurance.

[Serdoa]

Hey Serdoa, I agree with you that your case is quite similar to that of Lewwyns which, coupled with your earlier suspicion of me is why I don't find your late run particularly scummy. However I wonder how that sits with this:

But Q switches because he does not like the way catwalk blows up the case. I can understand that. If you have a hunch and suddenly someone blows that out of proportion you get wary that you might be on a villager that fucked up

Are you being sarcastic/acting up for the happyizing? Because otherwise this seems a lot like you being sympathetic to my reasoning for that switch, and if so, why did you vote me yesterday?

No, you are right. After studying this part in more detail I saw your angle there. You were agreeing with him on a specific point, but the way he acted it out was from your point of view to heavy for what you had in hand. So it makes kinda sense to move around and go for him.

The reason I voted for you was the aggressiveness that I had pointed out. That was too quick happening for me for the state of the game we were at.

Err... I quoted the post where Rowain pointed out the contradiction in your stance on Azza. Which I agree is suspicious. Sorry I didn't "put a better spin on it".

I don't see the contradiction. Or rather I see where he was coming from and explained it already when Rowain asked and another time when Lewwyn asked. I can do it a third time if you want, but I think it actually is pretty clear by now to everyone why I thought the way I did.

You guys probably forgot already, but I got lynched not to long ago because I attacked MJW on D1 without a real reason. I can't remember if Azza was scum with me in that game or not, but I was certain he wouldn't make the same mistake I did. I probably projected myself onto Azza on D1 and expected him to have the same memories about my faults than I do. And that - as lame as it may sound - is the reason I just didn't expect Azza, who I believe is a very good player, to make this error.

How could you know that attacking MJW was a mistake? Did you know he was town?

The way he attacked him was the mistake. That was simply a bad attack and that was the same mistake I did in another game as described above. I couldn't believe that he would make such a bad attack as scum = the same mistake I did.

Seriously? In that case why don't we just ask Brick to confirm all the recent claims? That should save us some trouble.

That sound awfully like a scum being already on the edge because he lost a buddy yesterday and is under suspicion today and is shortly before breaking. Didn't know you could actually lose your cool novice

@Gazglum

I am the happy me when I don't get lynched today

[Jowy]

Btw unrelated to the reveal incident, the reason scum might have targeted Ryan is the fear of roles. Just by reading Azza's role (if he shared it ) they'd know that there are at least protective roles in play, probably more than that since it's role madness. It'd make sense to target someone we wouldn't expect so that the kill goes through and they won't get tracked or whatever.

[zakalwe]

Lewwyn is so hilariously SK again

Yup. Still wasteful to lynch him when he's already wounded, though. And of course there's always the off chance that he's telling the truth. :P

On a more serious note - MJW, even if Brick made a mistake he should not compound it by confirming anybody's story. This is true as a matter of principle, and accusing Novice and Q based on that is way below the belt IMO.

Arguments like that piss me off as they really go against the integrity of the game.

For what it's worth, I'm willing to believe your claim that Brick made a mistake, and I don't think that tells us anything about your alignment.