(January 21st, 2014, 17:06)Serdoa Wrote: I didn't think that claiming does anything to sway anyone. Anyhow: Rowain got the item because I know that he was not involved in the kills last night. I watched him.
Watched him or tracked him?
What's the difference between watching and tracking?
(January 21st, 2014, 18:03)Jowy Wrote:
(January 21st, 2014, 17:27)Rowain Wrote: I would ask every villager to leave Serdoa and not lynch him. Not today not tomorrow and maybe not on D5.
This better not be just so you get the item :P
Extrapolating on that, if we lynch Serdoa at deadline, he can't pass out his item during the night phase, is that how it would go?
I also don't understand what Rowain's basis is for trying to save Serdoa. Can you give any more insight to your reasons, Rowain? Because among the top three current lynchees (novice, Old Harry, and Serdoa), Serdoa is far and away my biggest scum suspect.
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(January 21st, 2014, 09:15)spacetyrantxenu Wrote: Wow, looks like the bus is leaving the station on me. I don't have a lot of time (i.e., I'm a busy person, not an intentionally lurking player) so I can't answer everyone's votes, but I'll start with posting my own vote for Old Harry for now even though he isn't the best candidate out there. Rationale being mostly limited to the fact that I'm not scum, so whatever the odds are that Old Harry is, (or isn't) scum, from where I sit any percentage of his chance at being scum is greater than zero, so Old Harry it is for now. Yes, this is a vote to save myself, but if we can navigate a better lynch candidate to the top of the board I'll gladly change my vote to one of them. (preview edit: My preferred lynch candidates would come from the Scum Leans section below).
There are better cases being made against other people, though, so it would be great if the vote moved off of me and OH and got on to some actual suspects so I can move my vote to somewhere useful. I don't think having to vote defensively like this is helping the town much but I don't see what choice I have. Anyway, I can't dig back through the last 100 posts for specifics right now (I should already be leaving for work), so how about I give away my leans on the player roster, as per Zak's request. I may as well anyway because if you guys kill me today I won't get another chance.
(January 21st, 2014, 03:16)zakalwe Wrote: Xenu - I just want to add that your last post, in isolation, is a lot less scummy than your earlier posts. So in the event that you're innocent, you shouldn't give up. Try to catch up to the thread, and just give us your honest thoughts about who you think is scum and town. It might convince us to move off you, and even if it doesn't, it will be useful after you're dead.
This is incomplete because some of these guys aren't saying much either, but you guys aren't throwing them under the bus because of it.... Also, if I get some of this wrong, sorry, I skimmed a lot of posts this morning because otherwise there was no way I'd get a response in before I have to go to work.
Scum Leans: Serdoa - I don't trust what I'm reading, sorry. Lewwyn - I don't really know what to make of the Lewwyn-Ryan thing, but I don't like it. Lewwyn may be a victim of a dumb play by Ryan for all I know, but the fact that he can kill is something that can't be good for the town. But getting caught in a lie was a . Which brings me to: Ryan - I can't think of a good reason why he played the situation the way he did. Again, maybe this should be filed as a bad play rather than a scummy play, but this was just bad and makes me not trust him OR Lewwyn now. Gazglum - He may be a victim of playing the Happiness Officer role, but he doesn't seem genuine in his posts. Azza - I'm almost certain of it! Catwalk - Now that the game is on he's been less active today (unless I'm not remembering a lot of useful posts today). Maybe that's a result of almost hanging day one, maybe he's busy. And I don't have a huge scum lean on Catwalk, this could be a residual feeling from day one when we didn't have a lot to go on. Old Harry - Totally doesn't deserve to be on this list, and like I said above, I don't really think he's that scummy at all. But I'm voting for him until I'm not the leading lynch candidate because I know I'm not scum. Sorry OH.
Town Leans: Merovech - I don't feel really strongly about it, he's been pretty inactive, too, but he seems like Town to me. Bob - Has had some really good ideas so far and seems genuine. Maybe that makes him less wolf and me more sheep, though. Jowy - I don't want to generalize from other games where I've followed Jowy, but he sometimes has a...brashness about him. Like a bull in a China shop. I'd have to think that if he was a wolf he'd behave in a more reserved and careful way. But he isn't. I think Jowy is 100% town. Qgqqqqq - Seems to be playing the role of honest investigator (I'm not trying to buy off his vote saying this). I don't get a scummy feel from him. Rowain - I'm not sure how to classify his style of investigation, but it doesn't feel like scum. Feels like all town. Ichabod - This may be Stupendous Man's charisma shining through and coloring my opinion but I don't think he's scum. I don't know why I think he's town, either, but I feel sure enough of him to not put him in the No Idea category. spacetyrantxenu -
No Idea: Azarius - He's almost as absent as I am. Mattimeo - Absentee landlord. Novice - I can't get a good read on Novice but he doesn't seem like a threat to the town. I haven't loved his investigation though, so maybe he's not really helping much either. So he's here. MJW - Who can say? He seems to think outside the game at the rules and constructs of the game a lot, but that business with wanting Brick to intervene was just silly. But it didn't give me a vibe as to town or scum, so he goes here in the no idea category. Sunrise - He's been a bit reserved, too, but I don't sense anything scummy in what he's said yet. Zak - For a guy voting me for not saying much, Zak hasn't said all that much himself. But I guess when you're running from a bear you don't have to be the fastest, just not the slowest.
Also, since Qgqqqqq specifically asked for a followup on why I suspected Serdoa from this post yesterday:
I already tried to answer it, saying I sounded non-commital because I WAS non-commital. I didn't see it as a smoking gun, just as an interesting lead to follow, which is what I think Lewwyn was doing. Yeah, I still think Serdoa has a scum lean to him but I can't point to anything concrete, it's more of a feeling I have about him. He's tried to defend himself aggressively, which he should definitely do whichever faction he's in, but his tone while doing so doesn't sound 100% honest to me. Maybe another way to put it is that I don't trust what Serdoa is saying, and if I don't trust someone they aren't getting a town lean.
Sorry I can't provide more useful content, that's the word I'm seeing used, but I'm an hour late for work now so that's going to have to do it for now.
Deadline was 5 PM Eastern last time right? So it's 7 PM US Eastern now?
And finally, your communications officer will surely have some pithy wisdom for you later today. Once he thinks of something to say.
A self defense vote makes perfect sense, and it's something I would expect any villager to do. Sticking a vote onto someone you say you consider villagery because you need to defend yourself when there is still tons of time left in the day is not. (Disclaimer: Obviously even if there is time left but you will be asleep unavailable this makes sense, but you don't mention that.) You ask that votes move off of you and Old Harry so you can move your vote elsewhere in safety. Why not instead put forth a case on someone, put your vote there, and try to convince people to move there instead? If you can't get any traction and you're still facing the block near the end of the day then certainly vote to keep yourself alive. This just feels like you wanting an excuse to sit your vote on a villager and be able to wash your hands of his death entirely.
Saying that Lewwyn being able to kill can't be good for the village is just untrue. It's possible that it may not be good, either because he is scum, or he is town and guesses wrong with his ability. Just the fact he can kill is not necessarily a bad thing. Also, I take umbrage to you putting me in the same category of inactivity as Mattimeo to justify having no reads on me. Which I suppose doesn't really make much of a difference, since as Serdoa rightly points out, much of your reads are wishy-washy and interchangeable to the extent that you may as well have said you had no read on them at all. I can appreciate being pressed for time, and I know I struggled in my first game especially to construct reasoned posts, but you spent a good deal of time putting together a post that says almost nothing.
(January 20th, 2014, 18:18)zakalwe Wrote: I've skimmed through. In case Serdoa is still around, I want to ask him what's up with the new, mellow, humble Serdoa. And I'm not just talking about the smileys.
Well Serdoa, you did say zak was allowed to question this when I wasn't .
This post makes me feel that Azarius is intentionally trying to annoy Serdoa. That's a bad thing to do in itself (we should all be friends ), but it also feels scummy to me, because it makes a forced (not sure if this word means the same in english as it means in portuguese, but I'll try) interpretation to pass what Serdoa's said as a elitist comment of some sort, which it was not.
To quick clarify this. I wasn't trying to aggravate Serdoa with this post. I was attempting to tease him a bit and see if he would answer that type of question from zak as he had used zak as an example in his response to me. If you misread my intent then it's possible he did too, so I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across wrong.
(January 21st, 2014, 15:35)zakalwe Wrote: Looks like my vote may be useless sitting on Merovech, but let me just explain briefly why I'm voting for him, since I couldn't be bothered to elaborate in my previous post. (It was from the phone.)
First of all, he hasn't had any town moments at all that I have noticed. His level of participation is also fairly low, and not showing an upward trend, like with some of the others. The concrete thing that I found scummy was at the start of today when he changed his stance on me. I thought his reasons for suspecting me were fuzzy on day 1, but on day 2 he changed his tune, claiming that I had suddenly started explaining myself. Like I said at the time:
(January 20th, 2014, 02:50)zakalwe Wrote:
(January 20th, 2014, 01:48)Merovech Wrote: zakalwe is less suspicious than he was before bEcuase he started to explain what he was saying.
I don't think there's been any shift in my behavior where I suddenly started explaining myself - I think I've been doing that all along. Sounds like revisionism to me.
Seems to me like he needed a new target since I had suddenly gained a lot of towncred, and instinctively adapted his "read" instead of just admitting that he'd been wrong.
I doubt we have sufficient time today, but I'd be happy to join you in trying to get more from him. I noticed something earlier from him that felt similarly off.
Also, if I get some of this wrong, sorry, I skimmed a lot of posts this morning because otherwise there was no way I'd get a response in before I have to go to work.
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That's a bad thing to do in itself (we should all be friends 
), but it also feels scummy to me, because it makes a forced (not sure if this word means the same in english as it means in portuguese, but I'll try) interpretation to pass what Serdoa's said as a elitist comment of some sort, which it was not.
