WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Jowy]

If Rowain's got something good that does confirm Serdoa and himself, I think that's good enough use of a role whatever it happens to be. It would also be really strong evidence against them if they actually had nothing, because I doubt anyone here thinks that a town member would make a call like Rowain's just based on their personal read.

I'm going to vote for Bobchillingworth at least until more of the scenarios get figured out. He was overly defensive on D2 when questioned by myself and Matt, he has the ability to kill and didn't reveal it until he got caught, and if he was a normal vig as claimed I think he would have used his shot on N2.

[novice]

Well Serdoa I admit to using a bit of rhetoric, but fine, let's split hairs.
Multiple scum factions are confirmed in my mind. A SK is a scum faction.

Serdoa, with multiple scum factions I don't see any reason why you can't be scum. If you're in a two-man faction with Rowain it makes perfect sense to help each other as closely as you have.

And if there is a scum faction with more than one person in it, which I personally believe, there is no reason to clear neither your nor Rowain. At any rate, there is definitely no reason to give Rowain a free pass. Him disbanding your wagon is not necessarily because you're his scumbuddy.

Also I pointed out earlier that commies could have more than one kill (one factional, one or several personal). I guess you missed that post.

Yes I did.

The whole thing boils down to getting an explanation from Rowain NOW, when we have ample time to verify it, rather than at LyLo. Rowain made an extraordinary claim and that requires extraordinary evidence. What is the big deal, if Rowain is town then scum will assume he's town and target him anyway. They don't care what his exact role is. Town will only benefit from Rowain having to claim. Everybody has a role, everybody is a target, for crying out loud.

Speaking of which it's mystifying that people are voting to lynch Gazglum when we can just wait and see how Lewwyn flips.

What is the difference between Gazglum and me in your reasoning? We're both mostly suspected of being SK, right? - Gazglum by his own admission, and me because I've got a kill power and revealed I'm a vig under duress, but also helped lynch Azza. We could both be innocent for all you know, unless you do know more than you're letting on- maybe the village should lynch you, who plenty thought were scummy yesterday, and then any scum-revealing scanners we have can hit me and/or Gazglum. I volunteer myself, in fact- I have nothing to hide. I'll even scrub myself, if people are worried I'm a SK- I don't mind holding off with my vig shots for another night.

Well I think people tend to stick close to the truth when fake claiming. So I would think that Gazglum is legit or a SK, and you're legit or scum.

[Bobchillingworth]

if he was a normal vig as claimed I think he would have used his shot on N2.

I'm actually pretty cautious about these things. In the FFH WW game I literally held a vote in the game thread about who I would use my vig shot on... which IIRC everyone told me was a dumb idea, which is why I wasn't going to try that again in this game, but I still didn't end up taking the shot until like Day 5.


And I repeat that I am perfectly happy for anyone to scan me for scum allegiance or anything else- if you don't want to lynch someone just because they're a vig, leave me alone today and do what you will in the night. I'm sure we have at least one seer laying around. And I will scrub myself if people think I could be a SK, since I can live with skipping a shot Night 3 if it prevents a mislynch. If the best we've got is to kill someone with a killing role, I would remind everyone that Gazglum is a self-professed serial killer, with a ridiculously convenient role description to cover for it.

[Catwalk]

novice, do we even have serial killers confirmed? I think they're there too, but I'm puzzled you'd say it's confirmed. I do agree with getting the explanation from Rowain right away.

[Jowy]

And I will scrub myself if people think I could be a SK, since I can live with skipping a shot Night 3 if it prevents a mislynch.

Whoever takes him up on this, might wanna sign a contract in person

[Ichabod]

I would ask every villager to leave Serdoa and not lynch him. Not today not tomorrow and maybe not on D5.

These were his words. It goes well beyond "let's not lynch him now, I have a hunch he's innocent".

Ichabod, at this point in the game, do you think I am a wolf?

I'm not sure. You are not on top of my suspects list. But Rowain's play indicates he's not telling us something and I'd like to know what it is. Do not hint a claim if you don't want to claim - after you've done it, people will want to know.

[Bobchillingworth]

Whoever takes him up on this, might wanna sign a contract in person

[Catwalk]

I wish to confess that I too have a kill ability. It's conditional, and I don't wish to say what that condition entails. I have not succesfully hit anyone yet.

[Bobchillingworth]

Why? Why reveal, man? I only did because I had to. Is this just a thing everyone is doing now? Are we all vigs?

[novice]

Three night kills, Lewwyn and Bob both claim not to have killed, and commies only have one kill.

So best case scenario there's one scum faction and a serial killer.

Speaking of which it's mystifying that people are voting to lynch Gazglum when we can just wait and see how Lewwyn flips.

Was this your evidence? If so, I find it sorely lacking. If not, I'm sorry that I missed it completely and would like it pointed out to me.

OK let me explain my reasoning for the existence of a SK or second scum faction.
If Gazglum lies, there is a SK (he is it). Otherwise, town has 1 compulsive vig.
If Lewwyn lies, there is a SK (he is it). Otherwise, town has 1 vig/doctor.
If Bob lies, he is scum or a SK. Otherwise, town has a limited shot vig and there are two scum factions who killed Q and MJW respectively. (I'm assuming the town doesn't have 4 vigs.)
If Bob is scum with Azza there is still one unexplained kill which must be caused by a SK or another scum faction.

I think that covers all the options.

To be honest I didn't actually reason it out like this, I just said "too many vigs". I mean, the existence of another faction is overwhelmingly likely when you realize that the communists only have one kill. (Personal kill abilities notwithstanding.)

Crossposting with Catwalks's vig claim.

Do not hint a claim if you don't want to claim - after you've done it, people will want to know.

Precisely. On that note, Mattimeo you might want to be explicit in your claim as well. Wasn't it Serdoa by the way who insisted that MJW make his claim explicit?