While Bob may be suspicious, do you think it's likely that he bussed Azza with absolutely no need? The above quote fits easily with him being a serial killer, but I find it very hard to believe he's scum.
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:04)Gazglum Wrote: Even if I'm a lying serial killer, you can get use out of me before throwing me overboard before the end.
Sounds legit! [/sarcasm]
Quote:Anyway, given that Bob has been outed as a killer and counterclaimed as a vigilante, I think it might be worth looking a little closer at some of his posts instead of running down the clock with large font caps. I'm going to do that now.
Look "closer" at the posts of the guy with about a dozen votes on him, while simultaneously deflecting attention from yourself? Brilliant village play!
Quote:On the claiming issue, I agree that a village Bob shouldn't give away more technical details of his role. But I think it is fair to ask him about the flavour, because its not as easy as you suggest to make up plausible stories (having tried it myself as scum).
The flavor is "Paranoia" with hints of "Troubleshooter". Seriously, what does this mean? I can't quote anything without getting modkilled, you know this. And I don't see how it's relevant either.
Quote:And Bob's response to ignore the question until it was asked more forcefully and then shout his refusal to the heavens is, I think, suspicious.
It's as if I was heading to bed when the first wave of questions came in, and then I ignored them upon catching up with the thread because I'm not going to answer a request to give free information to scum!
Quote:Bob's done nothing proactive today, he's trying to move his king out of check.
I would say Pot, Kettle- except you're way scummier than I, Mr. Self-Professed Serial Killer
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:14)Catwalk Wrote: Gazglum, you want us to look away from one SK suspect (who voted to save a communist on the block) in favour of another (who voted against said communist)? That doesn't make sense. Bob can offer us the exact same things as you're doing (of little value, as Serdoa pointed out) and he has a voting record that favours him. Why would we lynch him over you?
Well, if Bob is a serial killer then his voting record is a bit meaningless as he would be voting to keep himself out of the firing line rather than to take out communists. Also, I can kill and kill and kill and kill, whereas Bob can only supposedly do it once or twice.
But the reason you should lynch him over me is if you think he is scum and I am not. And the reason you might think that is because he was forced into his claim by Ryan, and I was not. Even if I was 100% sure Serdoa tracked me, I wasn't forced to claim I killed him. I could have been checking up on him for some other reason, like the fact I heavily suspected him yesterday.
This isn't about me and Bob offering bids at the serial killer auction. I don't understand why its become gospel that Bob is a serial killer over a communist anyway - yes he voted Azza, but not I think at the tipping point. I will check.
It's about the likelihood that one of us is scum and one not. So if you think one of us should be lynched, you should be looking at Bob's play and my play and deciding which is more likely.
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:31)Catwalk Wrote: While Bob may be suspicious, do you think it's likely that he bussed Azza with absolutely no need? The above quote fits easily with him being a serial killer, but I find it very hard to believe he's scum.
His Azza vote counts in his favor. Everything else doesn't.
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:29)novice Wrote: Mattimeo sums up Bobchillingworth's play perfectly here:
(January 21st, 2014, 16:49)Mattimeo Wrote: ...and I don't like any of the current wagons enough to put a tiebreaker down on them, while needing to have left the house about 5 minutes ago with no prospect of being back before deadline.
I'm going to go [color#ff0101]Bobchillingworth[/color] again. A good number of his posts contain arguments that I fundamentally disagree with - and that's it's impossible to call him on due to the fact he *always* covers his back by looking at both sides. There's continual statements of facts or ideas that are just flat out *wrong*, several of which are explicitly mentioned in BRick's posts to start the thread. This continued duality of opinion seemed really odd, until I realised that it resulted in basically everyone coming away with the idea that they agreed with Bob, almost dismissing the aspects where he was just flat out incorrect for the points where he confirmed their view. Seems to be mostly working as a way to fly under the rader while ensuring the dissemination of false data.
Sure, except for the part where he was wrong about everything. I already posted a response on Day 2 which you didn't seem to disagree with at the time, I guess I can copy-paste it here again now that you have miraculously come to the conclusion that I'm a commie. I'm sure you're voting for me instead of Even More Mysterious Vig or Serial Killer Vig because you legitimately find me more suspicious, and not because you're scum adding one more vote to the pile for an easy mislynch. [/also sarcasm]
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.
1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.
2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.
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4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
Quote:But the reason you should lynch him over me is if you think he is scum and I am not. And the reason you might think that is because he was forced into his claim by Ryan, and I was not.
Look at what he's writing, people! Of course I claimed only when Ryan revealed me! What kind of awful vig reveals themselves without any provocation on Day 3? Well, Catwalk apparently, but yes, I only claimed when forced, because I don't make a habit of incredibly poor play. Speaking up without cause would have been terrible play. Staying silent when revealed would have been terrible play. I can't really express how dumb this argument is without getting Brick on my case. But it's really dumb.
And holy crap, how disingenuous is this?
Quote:Even if I was 100% sure Serdoa tracked me, I wasn't forced to claim I killed him. I could have been checking up on him for some other reason, like the fact I heavily suspected him yesterday.
Do you think we have the memories of goldfish? You wrote this the very post you roleclaimed!:
Quote:Alright, it might be best to speak up before Serdoa potentially announces to the world what I did.
Gah, I wish I could vote for both you and novice! Are you SK and Commie? Two Commies? Scum and Impossibly Terrible Villager? I don't know, I don't even really care, you both need to hang.
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:31)Catwalk Wrote: While Bob may be suspicious, do you think it's likely that he bussed Azza with absolutely no need? The above quote fits easily with him being a serial killer, but I find it very hard to believe he's scum.
His Azza vote counts in his favor. Everything else doesn't.
As I wrote, I can easily see him being SK. And I can easily fit his actions into an SK pattern, rather than a communist pattern. I think the Azza vote is a big factor in favour of him not being communist, and I don't see what suggests otherwise. If we hang him, I think we get a coin flip between a villager and a serial killer. That's not a very good flip to take IMO. If he's a serial killer he's already lost this game, unless he has some sort of lynch protection to fool us with later.
If you accuse me then please refrain from lies/incorrect facts thank you very much.
(January 23rd, 2014, 12:15)novice Wrote: And Serdoa had only handed out one item when you made your announcement that he should not be lynched.
At the time I made my announcement Serdoa has already said that he wants to hand the doc-bot to me.
(January 23rd, 2014, 13:11)novice Wrote: Serdoa, with multiple scum factions I don't see any reason why you can't be scum.
I really doubt there are multiple scumfactions. Ryan, MJW, Serdoa and Qg have all visited Lewwyn? But that can wait till we really learn about Lewwyns role at days end.
More importantly:
You are extremely after role-knowledge novice. Why this extreme need to know?
What about your role and flavour?
(January 23rd, 2014, 17:56)Bobchillingworth Wrote: And holy crap, how disingenuous is this?
Quote:Even if I was 100% sure Serdoa tracked me, I wasn't forced to claim I killed him. I could have been checking up on him for some other reason, like the fact I heavily suspected him yesterday.
Do you think we have the memories of goldfish? You wrote this the very post you roleclaimed!:
Quote:Alright, it might be best to speak up before Serdoa potentially announces to the world what I did.
That's not what I mean Bob, and I notice you're encouraging Serdoa in his NOvice/Glum idea. I mean that just because I assumed Serdoa TRACKED me, it didn't mean I had to claim I was a vigilante. 'What I did' refers to my movements. I could have said, "Yes Serdoa, I am an anti-scum doctor and I can inject capitalist nanobots which detonate if and only if a scum doctor tries to protect you" or perhaps "I can install video cameras in your room which will tell me who visits you the following day, I am a 1 turn delay watcher". Or whatver.
