WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Qgqqqqq]

I really think there is only one vig.

Why?
Given the claims and the clone mechanic I would be very suprised if this is the case.

@Zak, I think we need to pry into their claims more and see which one is more likley true,BUT if bob is scum. he cant just block my ability or anyone else he thinks has a powerful role to town. Id rather not give a likely sk or scum the power to role block.. I am not taking my vote off him now tbh.

Zaks already analysed this well already, but suffice to say I concur. There is no risk that a revealed clearly pro-town power would be blocked by Bob, scum or not.

The same for your next alphabetical post. You seem very conscious about trying to make the game revolve around your scans rather then actually investigating. And calling anyone who pursues other options scum is scummy.

Lewwyn is probably town as he's still number two in post count. As Gaspar likes to point out wolfs tend to stay in the middle of the pack in posts.

Please MJW, just try to shut out this stuff. Its irrelevant and clutters up the thread.

Surely it can be changed though. Maybe we should have Bob scrub Gazglum and then lynch Bob anyway.

Why? SK is basically town until the wolves aren't a threat any more. *Especially* when there are enough vigs around that they can blend in.

Catwalk, lynching the serial killer eliminates a night kill though. Lynching a communist does not.

Eliminates a night kill that has a 1/4 or 1/5 chance of hitting scum, and is likely to be aiming scum.
Not sure why that's something we're wanting to do 'til more scum are dead and the functionally-identical-to-an-extra-vig-shot is less valuable than the fact we can't win 'til he's dead.

No SK is a role that works for its own survival above all else. Sometimes that means trying to obstruct and harm the village and sometimes it means trying to get the scum. Getting a SK means ending a anti-town nightkill.

Surely it can be changed though. Maybe we should have Bob scrub Gazglum and then lynch Bob anyway.

Yeah, because if it can be changed (necessary for your idea) there are two possibilities:

1) Bob is village. In that case, why lynch him in the first place?
2) Bob is not village. Why should he not change it in the last minute, just to screw us over?

That's another not thought through idea novice and I'm really not getting why you bring up those. The same goes for your post questioning catwalk. You don't bring arguments why to trust you or give credit to your ideas, you just try to "scare" players into following you. At least those you know are liable to let them affect them. The others you just try to paint as scum.

Agree.


I'm not sure why Catwalk is so obsessed with getting items, and it seems like a large portion of his attack comes out of some odd jealousy.

I don't think you're a communist, I think you're third party. Which of those actions is a bad play if you're playing on your own? I also think you're grasping for straws to get out of a sticky situation.

Well for a start there is the problem of attracting too much attention either way. As SK you want to survive at all costs, and Rowain's play has been pretty much the opposite of that. And moreover, no matter whether he's third part or not, pro-town actions are pro-town. What is it that makes you think he's third party anyway?

[Qgqqqqq]

Who else were you going to use it on?

Why would he need to use it at all? No-one brought up it's healing powers until after it happened, so he could've just pointed it at a pro-town player with all their clones and say it was just a one shot baner (or healed a scum if he's scum and one of them needed it).

[Rowain]

Anyway

this day is at end for me and my vote stays on Azarius.

[Serdoa]

@Jowy: Why should I tell you who Rowain visited - if anyone? I don't see that adding anything right now.

Also, how often did you now forget about your post-restriction?

[Catwalk]

No SK is a role that works for its own survival above all else. Sometimes that means trying to obstruct and harm the village and sometimes it means trying to get the scum. Getting a SK means ending a anti-town nightkill.

Or anti-scum. Why would you call it anti-town? Serial killers are equally against both scum and town. Pursuing serial killers is a good backup option if we can't find any scum, but I think we have good reason to assume scum are still our main threat here.

I'm not sure why Catwalk is so obsessed with getting items, and it seems like a large portion of his attack comes out of some odd jealousy.

Oh come on, I was taking an amusing dig at Rowain with those posts.

I don't think you're a communist, I think you're third party. Which of those actions is a bad play if you're playing on your own? I also think you're grasping for straws to get out of a sticky situation.

Well for a start there is the problem of attracting too much attention either way. As SK you want to survive at all costs, and Rowain's play has been pretty much the opposite of that. And moreover, no matter whether he's third part or not, pro-town actions are pro-town. What is it that makes you think he's third party anyway?

You think a serial killer would want to lay low? Who's the town going to hang first down the line? The only viable strategy for him as a serial killer is to be as pro-town as possible. With protective roles in play, scum may even be discouraged from shooting you at night. I think he's third party because he's lying being extremely disingenious concerning his statements about you. I don't think he's scum because that would mean bussing Azza, and I'm not inclined to think that happened until we see evidence for it. I also don't think he's town because of how he's been conducting himself today. I think he thought he could get away with clamming up about his statements about you, and is struggling now that he's been called out on it. To me, that matches SK play far better than villager play.

[Jowy]

@Jowy: Why should I tell you who Rowain visited - if anyone? I don't see that adding anything right now.

Also, how often did you now forget about your post-restriction?

Yeah, but how could we know he didn't visit you on N1 if you never told us who he visited? I know, doesn't matter anymore, just saying.

Looks like I need the practice to get into the swing of it!

[Serdoa]

You think a serial killer would want to lay low? Who's the town going to hang first down the line? The only viable strategy for him as a serial killer is to be as pro-town as possible. With protective roles in play, scum may even be discouraged from shooting you at night. I think he's third party because he's lying being extremely disingenious concerning his statements about you. I don't think he's scum because that would mean bussing Azza, and I'm not inclined to think that happened until we see evidence for it. I also don't think he's town because of how he's been conducting himself today. I think he thought he could get away with clamming up about his statements about you, and is struggling now that he's been called out on it. To me, that matches SK play far better than villager play.

You realize that you answered to a post from Q, not one from me yeah? I mean in all honesty and trying not to be mean: Don't you think you should at least get the main facts straight before you argue about them? I felt the whole day when talking with you that I was speaking against a wall - and the above post is just reinforcing that feeling.

[Serdoa]

And also I have a deja-vu. Did we have that discussion already in another game?

[novice]

Fishy vig claims notwithstanding, I can't walk away from this. Rowain.

[Serdoa]

You already were on him anyway novice. Not that I think you didn't know...