WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Jowy]

If we had a watcher on MJW last night, as is very likely, and no-one else visited but novice, that'd mean we caught two confirmed scum, yay!
If that watcher actually is a watched and a town that is, but I'm sure we can make the correct judgment on that

[Ryan]

I wanted to see if someone else would fuss up and I wanted to end discussion on novice...

[Jowy]

If that watcher actually is a watcher, and a town, that is. But I'm sure we can make the correct judgment on that *

[Ryan]

And I'm not the first one to lie about an ability to see ppls reactions... I lines that from Serdoa when he faked a day kill vs Q.

[Catwalk]

If you're villager, I think that was a very bad decision Ryan. I would much have preferred that you simply stuck with your results, preferrably claiming last in order to put pressure on scum. Didn't you do the same thing with Qg earlier? Lying is commonly seen as very bad villager play, and I think it is in this case as well. Don't forget that there can be other reasons for you lying, and it's very easy for us to speculate on what those reasons might be. You've definitely moved a step or two away from my villager camp. Don't let criticism get you down, though. This game is ruthless!

With you revealing how you did, I don't think we got much information out of it. If everybody had been forced to claim first, a scum player might have felt pressured into making a killer claim. I don't really understand why others wanted you to claim first, but I wish you would have waited at least a little longer to see where that discussion landed.

Rowain, are you going to tell us anything new or will we see another day of clamming up?

[Ryan]

Heres the thing cat, It was a risky play but I could have maybe forced one of the scum to admit to having a kill ability.. assuming that you are and bob didnt already do that. I trusted Rowain he kept a seer alive and Serdoa was the reason he got that heal. Me and Serdoa clash but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and check Novice for him. To either confirm or proove to him thats we shouldnt have a second day of fights with Novice.

To serdoa.. Your a good player but please dont get distracted on one guy. If what I did was scummy enough to be lynched over... well I fucked up you can do that, but please trust me on my reasoning.

[novice]

Rowain

[Serdoa]

I found another killer who didn't reveal... I won't reveal his name. " Doesn't have to be Serdoa"

I was hoping u would notice that lie and know that I was trying to force a discussion before I say novice doesn't have the ability to kill so he's confirmed town. That's what I get xD

I don't know why you lie Ryan, but it felt obvious that you did to me. And if it did feel so to me, it most likely did to others too. I had a theory why and I'm still not sure if I should trust you. But I believe your claim on novice. Unfortunately a scum could make that claim as well, as he would know that novice is a villager and novice already explained his ability, so it's not hard to claim later that you visited him and found out he can't kill, even if you did not.

[Catwalk]

A kill seer would be a lot of use to scum, and as we've seen already it's not quite as much use to the town. In a game with this many vigs, a scum kill seer makes a lot of sense. They can then either try to night kill them or prod lynches in their direction. Which seems to be happening so far.

I'm also suspicious of the lurkers: Mattimeo, Azarius, sunrise and spacetyrantxenu. But with novice cleared, I think investigating Rowain further can't be dismissed as easily as it was yesterday. I still think Rowain wanted us to believe he had inside information about Serdoa. I don't find that suspicious by itself. What I find suspicious is that he both denies having such information (while trying to be as vague about that statement as possible) and denies being misleading in the least in the first place. He may very well still be a villager who stepped in it. I also see the following scum options:
1) He's a communist and is buddying up to village Serdoa
2) He's a SK and buddying up to village Serdoa
3) He's a recruiter and has recruited Serdoa, or they have a 2-member faction together for other reasons
4) They're both communists

1 and 4 mean that Azza was bussed. That's starting to seem likely. Either that, or there is a newbie/inactive communist faction which didn't manage to coordinate vote switches and decided to let Azza sink to curb the damages.

[Ryan]

He wouldnt heal a kill seer that could tell he is scum. Catwalk