February 5th, 2014, 13:21
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Q, who did I scan that night, I don't remember and don't have time to look it up. If it was one of the days I had a ragefest with someone I probably scanned one of them.
I don't know what good news I can provide, my skill sucks. I scanned Mattimeo last night, the GM reply was: "Levitation". So Matt didn't lie about the name, yay for our leader. At this point, though, does anyone honestly think anyone else would have been crazy enough to lie about the role name, which means really nothing?
I don't know if this was answered earlier but given the conversation about useless skills now, Jowy, what can you do now that everyone has a one clone max? Nothing? Are your lady charming days over? 
February 5th, 2014, 14:10
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(February 5th, 2014, 02:09)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I am going to be less active for the second half of this day (and subsequent night/first half of day 7 is it?). I suspect I am going to be a target today, so please give me the points early so I get a chance to respond.
Sorry, I guess I should have been quicker to speak up then. Well, I don't have much concrete for you to respond to anyway, really. I just get the scum Q vibe from your posts, and I don't believe in your claim. I've forgotten to ask for your results, I don't see why you wouldn't volunteer them when suspects are being discussed, though. Especially today if you're preparing to go AWOL. Waiting to make sure your lies are compatible with the other night results? Also don't like how you worked against the Catwalk lynch. That felt scummy even though Catwalk flipped in orange.
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February 5th, 2014, 15:05
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(February 5th, 2014, 13:21)spacetyrantxenu Wrote: I don't know if this was answered earlier but given the conversation about useless skills now, Jowy, what can you do now that everyone has a one clone max? Nothing? Are your lady charming days over?
Yep, why else would I charm the ladies if not for free clones, jeez.
February 5th, 2014, 16:02
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(February 5th, 2014, 14:10)novice Wrote: I've forgotten to ask for your results, I don't see why you wouldn't volunteer them when suspects are being discussed, though. Especially today if you're preparing to go AWOL. Waiting to make sure your lies are compatible with the other night results? Qgqqqqq
I hadn't thought of that before either, why wouldn't everyone with watcher/tracker roles reveal their findings at some point during the day before vote deadline? For maximum flexibility later in case a story needs to change? (Unless you simply forget, or claim to forget?)
Anyway, I'd like to also hear more from both Ichabod and Sunrise today, I don't know you guys from previous games or anything but you've both been quiet for a lot of this game. Not that I'm casting stones in that regard myself, but my work has been complete hell lately. Ichabod, what made you cast your vote (with no further description) this morning? Surely it wasn't role based-meta, since Sunrise's role is as useless as yours as far as I can tell. Sunrise, do you have any thoughts about...well, anything in this game? I haven't heard much from you since, ever. Yes, work, busy, but the town will get busy warming up the lynch bus if you don't post...something -- I should know about that.
We've only successfully lynched ONE scum so far, and it looks like it's probably because Bob bussed Azza. So aside from Azza and Bob being gone, we don't have a good track record so far. We can't afford another bad lynch today, the village is starting to feel a bit small. I don't want to kill someone for being too quiet because another mislynch may be the end of this thing, but on the other hand...where are our suspects? This thread is too quiet lately. Well, I guess with me and Catwalk not shouting at each other anyway. I don't have any good theories, but there are too many quiet people here. Maybe everyone is busy, I don't know.
Like I said, I want to hear an explanation for Ichabod's vote, Q's answer to Novice's question, and something, anything from Sunrise. Like are you doing anything with your role? Or theories about who looks scummy to you? Or reasons why we shouldn't hang you tonight?
Preview edit: So, Jowy, are you then powerless/have no night role at all to use now? Please clarify.
February 5th, 2014, 16:05
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Spacetyrantxenu, I wasn't trying to imply there was any sort of conspiracy involved, just musing on the fact that you as a communist would likely have missed that there was a lying role simply because you seriously weren't expecting to find one. It wasn't really being considered as a tell on you either way, just something that fitted on inspection.
One meta point, the loss of clones makes me find Jowys role very believable, as a powerful doctor who's ability can/will be lost (I suspect there were other factors that might have caused us to lose our clones), but makes novice's role make even less sense, especially as a town role.
Last night I watched Serdoa, the only one who's innocence I feel certain on, to see if Sunrise or Ichabod visited him. The night before I had the item as well, so I used the Recon Boomerang on Rowain and watched novice to see if Catwalk or Space (ha, funny that I observed the two people being discussed yesterday visited him. The end result of this was all negative, along with every other result I've received which was part a of why I didn't jump out with them. Part B was a vague feeling that in the absence of any results the only use I can get from my role is to make scum a little jumpy about their actions and what they claim.
That's not very good reasoning, apart from the vibe. I will say that I do have some time before I go, and I won't stop posting altogether , just largely. Why is my working against the Catwalk lynch scummy? I mean, scum know that we have two villagers on the block, in which case they don't need to take a strong stance at all, or Space is scum, in which case there's no reason to support the other side? Were you thinking of scum working for town cred in an attempt to save a a villager who tragically lynchs anyway?
In which case for the first, why would I choose to become active after relative inertia for a while - if I'm scum then assuming Space is not scum (the only thing that makes sense IMO) I have no motivation to spur me out of apathy, I can just ignore the lynch, contribute minimally while villagers scrap. That's meta of course, but I think it's worth mentioning. For the second, if I'm scum trying to defend (what scum assume to be) a villager for cred, why should I turn at the end, or present anything but a strong stance? I can assume Catwalk will be lynched at that stage (6/4) unless there is a late push (which would just make the participants look particularly scummy and there was no hint of this previously) so what scum-I should do in this situation is strongly affirm his Catwalk-saving stance, rail against the cruel village for doing this and making sure Space is lined up as a lynch for the morrow. By doing what I did I presented uncertainty and ruined a lot of potential cred, as well as weakening what could have been a strong case on the next day to present righteous fury and bawl for the lying spacetyrants blood. If I am a villager on the other hand, there is no such preplanning and knowledge (this is, incidentally, why I enjoy playing as scum much more), simply a townie trying to work out what to do, and eventually finding Catwalks odd search for a compromise candidate enough to swing him away from a preferred lynch target.
Wow that was a lot of what-I-would-have-done Still, I hope you see that what I did there was not what I would have done as scum - I don't expect a village lean from what was, at the end of the day, poor play, but I was surprised that you found it scummy.
Also, the same question I asked Jowy earlier - if scum, how are you thinking I was killed night 2? By SK or fellow scum?
I don't think we should let Space off, but I agree that Sunrise089 could do with some pressure.
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February 5th, 2014, 16:09
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Quote:I hadn't thought of that before either, why wouldn't everyone with watcher/tracker roles reveal their findings at some point during the day before vote deadline? For maximum flexibility later in case a story needs to change? (Unless you simply forget, or claim to forget?)
Because the result is useless as I have thus far failed to hit anyone who was killed (  ), all my results have been negative and afaict I've yet to find someone lying about their actions? And yes, there is an element of forgetfullness/apathy in there.
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February 5th, 2014, 16:21
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Qgqqqqq, what I don't get, why didn't you watch Merovech? It was perfectly clear that he was the one to die last night, I don't see how anyone else was even remotely a possibility.
Secondly, you were attacked by Azarius on N1 and the kill happened delayed on N2. So that is how you died. Of course I could point that in your favour as "if he forgets that, he might really not be scum, else he would know", but honestly, I can't believe a villager would forget either, so that together with the rather odd watching-target last night does make me lean scum.
Also, the targets you watched me for are even worse than watching me on its own because Ichabod already told us that he didn't do anything in the night and I think I already stated something to the effect that I don't know whom sunrise did visit, so watching me for those two fits perfectly the already established actions.
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February 5th, 2014, 16:24
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Correction: I didn't state anything about sunrise. Guess I just thought about it when looking at my unfilled spreadsheet. Though given that we expect him to be scum too the target to watch as well as the targets to watch for are imo not well chosen at all.
February 5th, 2014, 16:26
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(February 5th, 2014, 16:09)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Quote:I hadn't thought of that before either, why wouldn't everyone with watcher/tracker roles reveal their findings at some point during the day before vote deadline? For maximum flexibility later in case a story needs to change? (Unless you simply forget, or claim to forget?)
Because the result is useless as I have thus far failed to hit anyone who was killed ( ), all my results have been negative and afaict I've yet to find someone lying about their actions? And yes, there is an element of forgetfullness/apathy in there.
You know, not getting any results from that ability is quite an achievement.
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February 5th, 2014, 16:27
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Xenu, yeah, my power is completely useless now.
Q, even negative results can be useful. They tell us who didn't visit whom, which could be relevant at some point.
That "would have done" talk is scummy as heck considering you played the exact opposite way the last time you were scum :P
You were a very active and participating scum, not a lurker. And I think that's why novice is suspecting you, you are playing in that style again. I'd agree with that.
Serdoa, were you trying to save Merovech with those night shenanigans? Cause that's some next level play right there if you were.
Not that it'd ever work, but worth a shot I suppose.
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