[SPOILERS] Dip4 Turkish Delight: scooter dies first

[scooter]

Uh, so Twinkletoes (Ru):

The MOS army will not move to SEV.

Ummmmm.

[scooter]

So, I underestimated TT. Yep, that's a S1901 stab. Ah well, no regrets. We're obviously in big trouble, so time to do some wiggling. Obviously I want TT to hurt for this one.


LOL as I type this, MJW (I) sends me this crap:

Unless you our plotting something with Russia your pretty much screwed. If you are screwed I'm not interested in talking to you. Well other than the fact if you are going to SER or not. But that's Rowain's problem anyway. I have no idea why Rowain allowed be to play the Key Lepanto so you could go ask him after the game. So do you have an evil plan with Russia or are you a dead man walking?

I was pretty sure this was Key Lepanto and not MJW (I) stabbing Rowain (AH), but it's sure nice of him to confirm.

[scooter]

Replied to MJW (I) :

So, here's the deal. You're going to stab Rowain and keep Trieste this turn, or I'm going to make sure Russia gets all my centers. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

Curious how he'll respond to that.

[scooter]

Sent to Twinkletoes (Ru):

Mos-Sev, eh? Not your best choice.

Chatting to Mattimeo (G) right now about bouncing TT out of Sweden. I'll email Rowain shortly. I may be able to get TT to get 0 centers if I really work at it, which would be a nice piece of vengeance. We'll see how MJW and Rowain react.

[scooter]

Chat with Mattimeo (G):

scooter: Hey. Any chance you're interested in bouncing Russia out of Sweden this turn?
Mattimeo I'm considering it
scooter: Obviously Russia stabbed me. I'm a dead man walking, but I'd like to make R pay for it
and I think 0 centers for him is a real possibility with a sweden bounce
and a weak russia is surely nice for you
Mattimeo oh wow, I hadn't noticed there was no BLA bounce
scooter: Nope. I suspected Lepanto for a variety of reasons. R offered a deal, I took it, but he immediately stabbed
was a gamble on my part obviously, but tis diplomacy
Mattimeo yeah
I'd assume Rowain orchestration?
scooter: yep
Mattimeo in before MJW stabs by Tri (H)
scooter: he's been pushing the "we can't let scooter win two in a row" line with all my neighbors hah
Mattimeo yeah
scooter: heh, yeah who knows what MJW will do
Mattimeo I'm still trying to work out what the hell is going on with my side of the board, too
scooter: yeah I've barely even had a chance to look over there
Mattimeo I got hardly any communication from either of them, and now there's a fleet in ENG
scooter: but lon-eng sure looks interesting
yeah
Mattimeo OK, no promises, but I've a high probability of bouncing Swe at the moment
scooter: Ok sounds good. Thanks.

[scooter]

More working of the phones. This to Rowain (AH):

Nope, I haven't heard a lot from the west. Looking at their side of the map suggests some interesting action.

Speaking of interesting action, let's talk eastern theater . Your insane ally MJW happily informed me that you guys are playing a Key Lepanto, and not that it's a stab. I was guessing that was the case, but it was awfully nice of him to inform me. Anyway, of all people, you're the person who has been most honest to me thus far.

With that in mind, so while I may be a dead man walking, I'd like to have some control over how I die. Any chance you're interested in trying to ensure Russia gets 0 builds this year?

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

Alright, that's enough for now.

[scooter]

LOL. MJW replies:

Stabbing Italy was always option for me. Because you are willing to blackmail me, limiting my options, I'll will go though with it. There is two ways of me backstabbing him.

1. I squat.
2. I arrange it so rowain doesn't support me on purpose and we bounce; by saying that I tricked you into not moving into SER. This has the advantage of delaying the stab so I can use my full force against him.

If #2 is unacceptable I'm okay with squatting.

I will convey my army into TUN unless you support me into Greece to help me overcome the Austrian fleet. It just has no-where else to go. If I don't squat I have to go to TUN to continue to deceive rowain.

Blackmailing is a legit strategy in diplomacy so I'm not bitter and further cooperation is still possible.

Farewell,
MJW

I read this on my phone and literally laughed out loud. That was way too easy. I just have to decide how to reply.

[Jkaen]

Hmm, shame about the stab there, as you say looks like Rowain was working pretty hard.

I am not familar with standard moves here, do we expect rowain to do bud-ser rum-bul (with russia support?) and alb-gre ?

[Gaspar]

Fuck TT.

I'm also not sure I buy what anyone has told you, but certainly somehow turning MJW is our current best option.

[scooter]

Okay, I owe you all an update. There may be a little overlap in what I've previously posted, but here is all I've communicated since the S1901 turns were resolved:

Diplo with Austria: Rowain

Nope, I haven't heard a lot from the west. Looking at their side of the map suggests some interesting action.

Speaking of interesting action, let's talk eastern theater . Your insane ally MJW happily informed me that you guys are playing a Key Lepanto, and not that it's a stab. I was guessing that was the case, but it was awfully nice of him to inform me. Anyway, of all people, you're the person who has been most honest to me thus far.

With that in mind, so while I may be a dead man walking, I'd like to have some control over how I die. Any chance you're interested in trying to ensure Russia gets 0 builds this year?

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

lol about MJW

Who knows what he will really do. I'm not sure he doesn't work with Russia in reality.

Russia has 3 units targeting RUM so I fear it might be me who ends without a center.

-Rowain

About the west

to me it looks like France and Germany are working together and England thought he had an ally in Germany.

Or this is just a setup to trick Germany . France gets 2 builds , Germany gets at least 2 and England might get 2 too. What happens with Belgium and the fleet in ENG will be the interesting thing.


In our theatre it looks like you get 1 build Russia most likely 1 or 2 Italy 2 and myself maybe 1 or nothing at all. I would be a lot happier if the fleet would still sit in Sev.

Rowain,

Cyneheard implied that dtay broke his word on the Lon-Eng order, so who knows on that. Sounds like the same thing happened over there as what happened in the Black Sea.

As for our corner of the world, yeah I don't really know what's going to happen. Sure hope the 3 of you figured out how to amicably split my centers or else things may end in tears for someone.

scooter - Turkey

I'm not so sure about the west. According to my sources an attack on England was not pushed by Germany. No matter what happens in our corner that triangle will be interesting to watch

And for our corner well I don't see any Turkish centers falling right on turn 1 . Au contraire I see you gaining one. Killing turkey is nearly as hard as killing England. The Russian fleet in BLA might help to speed it up here but does it surprise you when I tell you I would have preferred a standoff in BLA?

-rowain

Yeah I know you all can't do much about me this year, but getting past 4 centers sounds like a pipe dream to me at the moment. Ah well. So how are you going to manage not immediately getting 2v1'd by Russia and Italy once I'm about out of the picture? That sounds like a fun challenge.

scooter - Turkey

Playing up the victim angle as best as I can with him.

Diplo with Italy: MJW

So, here's the deal. You're going to stab Rowain and keep Trieste this turn, or I'm going to make sure Russia gets all my centers. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

Stabbing Italy was always option for me. Because you are willing to blackmail me, limiting my options, I'll will go though with it. There is two ways of me backstabbing him.

1. I squat.
2. I arrange it so rowain doesn't support me on purpose and we bounce; by saying that I tricked you into not moving into SER. This has the advantage of delaying the stab so I can use my full force against him.

If #2 is unacceptable I'm okay with squatting.

I will convey my army into TUN unless you support me into Greece to help me overcome the Austrian fleet. It just has no-where else to go. If I don't squat I have to go to TUN to continue to deceive rowain.

Blackmailing is a legit strategy in diplomacy so I'm not bitter and further cooperation is still possible.

Farewell,
MJW

Hi scooter,

Rowain shoot down a bounce by saying that he would support me. I think he was a bit offended and afraid by my suggestion of F alb-->gre A rum-->bul and A bud-->rum. Not that there's anything he can do about it anymore. So it looks like I'll be squatting.

Do you think that it would be a good idea for my army to go into VIE? This would allow me to flank Austria. You are better at tactics then I'm a so I want your advice. Because I don't trust you, for blackmailing me, you have to back up statements with evidence.

Farewell
Matthias Welter

MJW,

Tri-Vie may not be a bad idea. I don't think it makes a massive difference either way. If you really want to ensure Rowain collapses easily, you could support Bulgaria into Serbia. Tri-Vie gives you a little bit of a tactical advantage, but there's always the risk he just builds an army in Tri if he's able to pick up a build somehow. Supporting me into Serbia makes it less likely that he picks up a build, but it puts your army in a slightly less advantageous spot. I think I could go either way on that, I don't think I have a strong preference. Even just ordering Tri HLD does the trick just fine.

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

Oh. I have to tell you that he's supporting ME into SER. So you can just walk in if I move or hold my army ether way. I'm pretty sure Rowain is operating under the assumption that if I backstab him he's screwed anyway. So I'll just move to VIE to flank Austria.

Ok sounds great, thanks. Let me know if you need anything further from me.

Thanks,
scooter - Turkey

I'm going to split TT diplo into a different post, because it's even longer than these two combined.