WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[Jabbz]

I hope you guys stop, reread the threads, and realize that the only reason people are voting against Az is he defended me, and himself, wouldn't accept hollow warrant-less arguments against him, and now, doesn't want to admit what his role is, which for the record, no one else has done either. Rowaine has been pushing this thing since D1, and I think there is some serious maliciousness involved in that push. Best of luck to us I suppose.

Way to spin Jabbz.

Lets see where was my vote on D1? Not on Azarius.

So lets recap the flow of actions:

1) I talk about a theory concerning zak-novice. and vote Jabbz.

2) Azarius votes me (because of said theory and demands explanation)

3) I ask him if he needs an explanation and if he and you are a pair.

4) Azarius doesn't get the pair comment and still demands the theory explained

5) I explain the pair and ask himn if he really needs an explanation and why.

6) Azarius denies the pair doesn't answer the need question and keeps his vote on me. And keeps his vote on me and so on.

Since then he has still not answered the need question. He has still not explained why me speaking about a zak-novice theor was worthy a vote especially one that except a short detour to Qg stayed on me for 2 day now.
But filled the thread with pictures and BS without even trying to answer those 2 questions.(why did he need so desperately and explanation of my theory and why was my mentioning it soooo scummy that he doesn't look left or right).

Nice spin yourself, you "respond" without actually making any valid points. Lets go down the list.

On the vote, I didn't say you had the vote on Az, that would be too obvious, instead you have been pushing this "Az is scummy" line since day 1, which is what I actually said.

6. He likely kept his vote on you because you are being far more aggressive about a stupid conjuncture conjuncture than is warranted by a townie.

You say that Az hasn't answered the qeuestions, or explained why he thought it was worth a vote, but he has posted more than almost anyone else, and while there are pictures yes, there is also a substantive amount of content aside from those pictures in most of the posts. Point in fact, he didn't start posting those pictures until Brick died, and no one had a problem with Brick posting pics. Why is it suspicious all of the sudden when Az does it?

I still think Rowaine looks scummy, and I don't see anything but town tells on Az, defensive, fighting back against an overly aggressive push by you, and full of logically constructed arguments.

I might not be able to post again before days end, have to take my daughter to the airport, but I feel completely comfortable leaving my vote on Rowaine, for these and above listed points. Once again I urge everyone to read up on the whole stupid argument, and you will find that at the very least Az and possibly Rowaine don't look scummy, or more likely, that Rowaine is trying WAY too hard, and is a good candidate for swinging, or a mass beating as happened last night.

Good luck to us all.

[Hashoosh]

Well if we follow catwalk:s logic here, he's now misdirecting for Qgq...

Not to mention I'm usually asleep when a lot of posting goes on, seems like that's being counted as flying below the radar

My two cents on Rowain/Azarius is that they're both town, I get that sense of moral conviction coming from both ends. However, the people throwing their weight on either side are either misguided or scum themselves. For now, I'm urging a Catwalk lynch, and asking the Azarius/Rowain parties to string him up.

[Jabbz]

I can easily see Jabbz as scum defended by town Azarius, but don't have much other than gut feeling to base it on. Azarius invited Jabbz here, right? I think Qg has contributed more so far, and he's also been dragged into discussions and suspicions more. Hashoosh stands out as flying below the radar, I don't think Qg does.

I almost missed this, that would have been a bit of a faux pas.

You say you can see me as scum, defended by town Azarius. Well on the one hand I suppose it's good that you haven't been bamboozled by Rowaine's non-arguments about how Az is out to get us. On the other hand, You don't give any arguments as to why I am supposedly scum all of the sudden. You just throw that out there.

Even worse, I can't ask for explanations and respond before time, because as I said in the above post, I have to leave. I guess I still want to know your reasons, hopefully there is a D3 where we can discuss them.

I don't get scum reads from you, so I don't think you are pushing me to an early grave to further your nefarious ends, but I don't see why you would think I'm one of the bad guys here.

[Rowain]

Nice spin yourself, you "respond" without actually making any valid points. Lets go down the list.

On the vote, I didn't say you had the vote on Az, that would be too obvious, instead you have been pushing this "Az is scummy" line since day 1, which is what I actually said.

I started to mention Az is scummy during the night.

6. He likely kept his vote on you because you are being far more aggressive about a stupid conjuncture conjuncture than is warranted by a townie.

You say that Az hasn't answered the qeuestions, or explained why he thought it was worth a vote, but he has posted more than almost anyone else, and while there are pictures yes, there is also a substantive amount of content aside from those pictures in most of the posts. Point in fact, he didn't start posting those pictures until Brick died, and no one had a problem with Brick posting pics. Why is it suspicious all of the sudden when Az does it?

He posted a lot but without giving an argument why me talking about a theory is scummy and deserved his vote for nearly the whole D1 nor why he needs an explanation for said theory. A perfect example is his flurry of posts from 265 to 275. 8 posts with lot of pictures but no content at all. When zak asks him about his tells all he gets is a big FU. No interest in helping the village at all. No interest to step back and play the game without childish reaction.


2 questions for you Jabbz: What will you do if Az get revealed as Bandit?
What will you do if Az get revealed as SK?

[Rowain]

My two cents on Rowain/Azarius is that they're both town,

Whom all do you see as town?

[Catwalk]

I would like to clarify that I don't have a hard scum tell on you. I'm just not lumping you in with Azarius and proclaiming you both town. I feel fairly convinced Azarius is town, you I'm leaning very slightly scum on. I don't have any concrete leads on you that are worthwhile pursuing, it's only a gut feeling. If I want to see you hang, I'll make sure to provide more substantial arguments for it. One reason I'd rather hang Hashoosh over you or Qg is that both you and Qg have left a large trail behind you that can be investigated.

Something else bothered me about zak's posts earlier. Given that we most likely have a serial killer in the game, how can this be LyLo? I don't think you're town zakalwe, you're my second favourite lynch candidate after Hashoosh.

I think you're still deliberately misinterpreting my accusation Hashoosh. I'm not saying you should hang for lurking, I'm saying you should hang for the odd circumstance that noone has thrown any accusations your way in spite of lurking. With two players on your team, it's far more likely that you won't see any accusations going your way.

[zakalwe]

Jabbz, who would you vote for, if not Rowain?

[zakalwe]

@Catwalk. 9 players alive, 3 bandits, 3 kills per night. In the worst case, that's LyLo. I was emphasizing that it was time for serious votes.

[Catwalk]

You're including the vigilante in a LyLo calculation? Also, how does the potential serial killer factor into this?

[Mattimeo]

5-1-3
-> lynch town 4-1-3
-> scum kill 3-1-3
-> SK kill town 2-1-3 :: 3/3 scum can force win by aligning vote together first to win tiebreak; 1-1-3 going into night with two kills expected; 0-1-2 scum lynch SK
possibly AND
-> Vig kills town 1-1-3 :: scum vote block, win

SK can still be alive when scum win. It just makes it mildly more difficult to secure majority, with a night kill able to kill scum (ie. day after MyLo is actually LyLo with SK killing scum, rather than loss)
Basically, worst case scenario (lynch town, SK kills town, Vig kills town/SK, Doctor no save) this is LyLo. Also applies if Vig doesn't shoot, though requires fast scum coordination in the morning.