ISDG 2012 flame war

[MJW (ya that one)]

This threadjack happened because Krill legitimately talked about SANTCA. I remembered them getting a perfect on everything above 25% or so and I called BS just because I could and I even had an excuse because Krill made a point against RB with it.

The spreadsheet could be wrong so in order to prove cheating I would have to check all possibilities like Civ4’s combat model being broken and the look-elsewhere effect (people already have though…). There’s no reason to do this just to prove a point. The reason why 44 billion was possible in a spreadsheet but could happen in the real world is because the spreadsheet assumes that numbers are random but they are not if you cheat or if the game’s combat model is broken.

Mackoti, the only thing people really complained about was the luck. The battles were reasonable enough. Seven, I got those numbers from random.org but there’s many different ways the spreadsheet could be incorrect. Plako, Seven showed that it really isn’t that hard in the second to last paragraph in post #63.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Oh, getting back on topic, will CFC open the forums 2meta or will I have to make a dummy account at CFC?

[YossarianLives]

Nice to see this post-game discussion here. I think RB played a really strong game and I'm sorry so many players involved feel negatively about the game overall.

I created an account solely for the purpose of lurking this game, after lurking anonymously for several years here at RB. I was disappointment I wasn't accepted, but happy with the ultimate outcome, as I was much more active on CFC than I ever would have been here at RB. Plus having an account allowed me to play in a couple subsequent games.

I really enjoyed the way CFC organized the team. As 2metra mentioned, there were frequent elections and votes on which strategies to take. Sure, it meant we weren't playing an optimized game, but it kept everyone involved for a long time and I thought it was a lot of fun. I even was elected "leader" for awhile (one of the main reasons we were floundering so badly when mackoti and 2metra took things over)

I think RB and CFC could have been allies and avoided war, but there was a lot of animosity to overcome in order to make it happen. There were several people on CFC who argued very strongly to bury the hatchet and continue working with you guys. After you conquered the Germans, though, it changed how people thought and it was pretty easy to get a majority to agree to attack you after that. Not just within our team, but in diplo with CP and Apolyton also. Speaking of diplo, I really enjoyed the diplo chats with Scooter and I am truly sorry if there were any hard feelings when we attacked you. I tried to be as truthy as possible, but I am sure I said some flat out lies to keep you guys guessing as to our intentions.

I just noticed that your private threads are unlocked and buried inside the "completed games" subforum. I'll go dive in.

GG all.

Edit: I'm interested to know how you felt about the Spanish APT Mod. How much did you use the website for C&D purposes? Was it as much of a problem as anticipated? Personally, I found it pretty useful, but by the end I think it takes a large part of the blame in the game slowing down to the extent that it did.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

There was some C&D work done, primarily by kjn who has disappeared from the forum since that time, as well as some scripting done by wetbandit if I'm remembering correctly. Apologies if I've given credit to the wrong person there, it's been a while and I haven't gone through the threads. Youssarian, check the C&D thread, all of it should be in there.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I think it was AutomatedTeller? I could be wrong, too. Don't have time to look it up.

Edit: wrong culprit given credit.

[wetbandit]

There was some C&D work done, primarily by kjn who has disappeared from the forum since that time, as well as some scripting done by wetbandit if I'm remembering correctly. Apologies if I've given credit to the wrong person there, it's been a while and I haven't gone through the threads. Youssarian, check the C&D thread, all of it should be in there.

Definitely not me, I didn't participate in any way in the ISDG.

[Old Harry]

Waterbat.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Waterbat.

Very likely a wetbandit sock puppet.

Mea culpa.

[Old Harry]

Hmm, well we haven't heard from Waterbat since Wetbandit joined, so that conclusively proves that you're right. Fess up Bandit!

[wetbandit]

If it wasn't for you meddling kids, I would have gotten away with it.