WW 34--The Slugfest!

[BRickAstley]

So with Jabbz, I am still in agreement with his beginning of day 1, in that he said something about Rowain that was misspoken/misinterpreted, and that shouldn't be something to condemn him. Since then, he's only ever talked about people accusing him, except for a brief "i was going to vote gore but can't find evidence post." That seems either fishy or nooby to me, and since I didn't play/read his first game I don't think, i don't have any grounds personally to try and say this is just like his last game.

I think he needs to show he can step up his play and contribute or else be lynched, but I'm not convinced that a lynch of jabbz today is necessarily the right call.

On another note, what do you Lewwyn (and anyone else), think of Jowy at the moment?

[novice]

Goreripper, I probably missed it but why are you voting Jowy?

[Goreripper]

Goreripper, I probably missed it but why are you voting Jowy?

Uncharacteristic behavior. Unjustified votes which he jumps away from on a whim. Ignores cases but focuses intensely on trivia. Seems to be trying to just fill space with out actually hunting scum but is very interested in hunting roles.

[Gazglum]

On another note, what do you Lewwyn (and anyone else), think of Jowy at the moment?

I am enjoying his gifs, but unimpressed with his play. He's avoided answering my question as to whether his suspicions have moved since Day 1, and he's talking a lot of theorycrafting without offering much of substance, except that he thinks Bob is town. I didn't much like his floating through Day 1 either, so I'd give him a scum lean.

Lewwyn, what do you think about Bob's actual play today, aside from his claim (which I agree is plausible for MJW, for scum or town)?

[Goreripper]

And anyway, I'm not suspicious of Bob.

Well, I'd be lying if I didn't have a little niggle of doubt. But mostly I believe his claim.

I am prone to believe his role. Kind of. Hyperbomb is a weird name next to graverobber and the traitors. But even assuming he is honest about his role I am not sure he is town because of it.

[novice]

Some of my town leans are leaning scum on Jowy, so that is apparently possible to genuinely do. I have a pretty strong town lean on him however. Jowy's style is unorthodox but I think he's hunting well, and bringing fresh ideas to the table instead of simply going with the flow.

[Goreripper]

Some of my town leans are leaning scum on Jowy, so that is apparently possible to genuinely do. I have a pretty strong town lean on him however. Jowy's style is unorthodox but I think he's hunting well, and bringing fresh ideas to the table instead of simply going with the flow.

Ok. I am willing to listen to evidence. How is he hunting?

[novice]

On a macro level he reflects and brings up things like kill flavours, mass claims, and poisoning. Topics that are helpful to consider but not necessarily immediately obvious.

On a micro level he looks at mannerisms and other minor details that scum tend to do, like he explained in one of his posts. Sounds a bit mumbo jumbo but I subscribe to the theory and I've seen Jowy work wonders with it in previous games.

[zakalwe]

BaII

[Jabbz]

Right now there are only three people that are really triggering my scumdar.


Bob : From what I can see the major reason people are on Bob’s case is that they don’t buy his claim. It’s clear that his type of role does exist, but as others have pointed out, it is a rather convenient role to claim. If he is town, he has the potential to take out scum that is targeting him, but more likely he will take out a townie that is checking the veracity of his claim, especially as he was already under some duress when he first claimed. Even when he is claiming he is ok with being lynched, he does so in a way that attempts to eliminate the possibility, by warning it may make those voting for him look bad.

His claim on Novice is based only on Novice placing a vote against him. There is no analysis to support it, just a “fine if you want to vote for me, I’ll vote for you.” Compared the reasonable amount of analysis he gives everything else, this seems weak.

All in all it seems fishy to me, and makes him a pretty good option for a Lynch. My only real question is whether or not lynching him today is the best option.


Jkaen: Like a bulldog, Jkaen is refusing to be distracted, which is either a very good thing or very evil. Given my impression of Bob this round, and the efforts of some to pull the vote away from him, I think Jkaen is very worried that others are going to decide he doesn't need to die today. Given my analysis above, I don't understand that dedication to him swinging today. My concern is that we may be led by our nose here. JMW told us that the wolves can talk to each other during the day, so that means Jkaen could be operating with a lot more information than the rest of us, and setting a townie up to burn.


Jowy : Jowy swaps around from vote to vote pretty rapidly so far this day. What bugs me though is when he likes arguments against Bob, sees the one post from Bob, and says “ok, Bob’s town” and moves on. I don’t find anything in the defense Bob presents to be nearly enough to warrant clearing him as town, as I say above, at most it just means maybe we shouldn’t have him be today’s lynch. For Jowy to pull that, without any explanation of why, seems more like he was either afraid of being associated with the train, or he is trying to derail it. If he is scum, there would be good reasons for both.


Of the three, I think the one that bothers me the most is Jkaen. He is (from what I can tell) by far the most aggressive and active person so far today. He latched on to Bob early, but his reasons for it, and the insistence that he dies tonight, are tenuous at best. Do I think Bob is suspicious, damn right, but I think he isn’t a priority, he’s out there, killing him tonight, if he is a wolf is good, but it’s not like he is going off radar tomorrow unless he dies to a vig/sk/wolf/etc, and then it’s a non-issue anyway. All in all, Jkaen’s aggressiveness, especially after the first days’ relative passiveness, seems like he is point man in getting rid of the wolves enemies. Jowy might be scummy, but the warrants for that are more tenuous.
So Jkaen

As for me, I’m pretty sure the only reason there are votes on me at the moment are because you guys think I’m being too passive. So here is me being more active, making my solid claim, and not “flying under the radar.” So put your votes somewhere that is based more on logic, not just on “He’s quiet.”

On the idea of mass claim, I’m down if you guys think it will do good. My role is more useful to town if it’s unknown, but doesn’t put me at great risk if it’s known, so I’m down if you guys are.