January 26th, 2015, 14:59
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Do we just need more land? I think we find new problems there too. And we cant survive without making problems to dtay. We can live with his rifles, but we will meet infantry and tanks too if we keep sitting.
In general I am not against attack on Adrien/REM. They made 2 mistakes and we can use their preferences to attack GermanJoe. Still no idea why they do it. And we must aim to not let GermanJoe to keep that land in front of us for him. No need to have circumnavigative sea opponent. Soe We must either protect Adrien/REM or try to take as much as we can.
Commodore was preparing attack on plako for long. He will be easy target for dtay's lash.
Dont forget that we need Oxford...
January 26th, 2015, 17:16
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You are 100% sure we need to hurt dtay, even if it is as small as 2 cities burned at huge cost? Because I think we can do this easily. Well, not like super easy, but relatively easy. We burn 2000 gold on upgrades and we hit hard.
Education next turn.
January 27th, 2015, 14:28
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This is a chat we had with ot4e today about what we do in the current situation:
Quote: аз: so, what we do?
what we gain if we send 30-40 units against front city?
eventually we raze it
then?
Ot4e: We wont have annoying front from which he can direct hit our city
аз:  that is good reason in tactical aspect
but in strategic aspect?
thinking of it, he wont be inclined to switch 100% war gear and come after us, right?
he will want to prepare better
Ot4e: Not much we gain I agree, but we steal something from dtay too
He is our main opponent
What if we let dtay take some from commodore
аз: can we pull out both goals?
I mean razing fron city and capturing the middle land from REM?
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аз: what you mean "what if we let dtay take some from commodore" ? you mean if we are passive, so dtay can take from Comm? what we will do when he is huge?
Ot4e: Exactly
If we dont make him problems
We csnt really rely that somebody else does
Or if he just continues teching
We can take Adriens land easily
Probably we must do it
аз: but not now?
maybe we will have better time
Ot4e: Now
аз: and easier
Ot4e: Not really
Now is the best time
аз: REM will stay small and weak
Ot4e: The best time was 2 turns before
аз: and backward
Ot4e: Others will come
And we need to be strong there
аз: do we invest 2K in upgrades and launch 2 attacks at the same time?
Ot4e: Need time to grow cities and culture
аз: or we attack REM first, so dtay loosens his defense on us?
I agree we need culture and presence there
but the alternative idea was if we come with strong enough army later, we can establish presence there
Ot4e: I think we need to invest as much as we can in new middle land campaign if we are decided to do it at all
аз: dtay is focusing on us I think
so not to attack Dtay at all?
Ot4e: Let him make mistake and attack us
аз: hmm
but your point about direct hit on our city stays
my desire was to invest a lot and pull off both plans - razing front city AND colonizing middle earth
ambitious, I know
and "if you chase two rabbits, you will lose both"
Ot4e: I doubt it can work too
If he has ok power then he will have a nice rifle stack
To deliver us the biggest losses
So priorities are the following:
1 - defence
2 - grab middle land
3 - economy ( oxford, feitorias)
4 - pull the possible dtay's attention as a good soft target
If he fails we will have good chance to counter him
аз: sounds like solid plan
Ot4e: We can keep some overflows refreshing them sometimes
аз: or possibly he get greedy and goes after Comm if Comm is in war with Plako
Ot4e: But they will start shrinking
Possible
Ot4e: Only build unit and make new prebuild
But we only need knights and may be catas as prebuild
Or trebs
No shit like crossbows
Brb
Изпратено в 11:40, вторник
аз: well, xbows were in the list, plus they are still OK unit for overflow and for using against REM
Sounds good as a plan Dreylin? Alternatives? Would like to hear your thoughts.
January 27th, 2015, 15:21
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Dtay got the "largest knights force" event just 1 turn before he gets rifles, which obsolete it. Lucky one
His border defense is nothing special or different than ours. In his most northern coastal city he have 1 LB, 1 mace, 1 pike, 1 spear, 3 archers and 1 quachua. Too bad he did actually teched Optics so we cant use surprising amphibious attack anymore.
Commodore is aiming towards attacking Plako. One trebuchet moving away from dtay's border and towards Plako's tells me this.
Gavagai and Krill/Ex-Mackoti's nations are ripping apart poor HitAnyKey. He lost 3 cities this turn. 2 Great Generals were born and 1 died.
REM/Adrien is losing ground against GermanJoey. 1 tundra city lost this turn to him. This and the fact REM have just 1 unit - LB or warrior or whatever in almost all his cities facing towards us is making me wanting to conquer his core too. I might be wrong, but GJ might be OK to split REM/AI's land with us and call it fair deal and turns his attention somewhere else. We've been something like natural allies through the most of the game - we were making troubles to REM when he was fighting GJ in his east.
Just rolled the turn and wow - we are top in GNP :D
January 27th, 2015, 15:34
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Sorry guys, I've been distracted from this game by PB23 ... which has been a good measure that I can only really be active in one Pitboss at a time (I'm not counting my PB18 takeover).
I'm not really familiar with the situation on the ground, but it seems to me that we've reached the point where we need to expand again. It doesn't seem to me that we really have the tech base to expand into dtay, but we do to take AI/REM's foreign holdings without too much effort using Carracks.
I agree that we can probably take some of AI/REM's core as well (Joey's real prize will be the Hindu holy city, anything past that is a bonus), but his colony I think is the real prize.
We'll have to watch for dtay though - especially in the South. The prize for him would be Wunderbar; razing that would cost us a lot of production capacity from the AP, not to mention the UoS beakers.
January 28th, 2015, 16:52
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np, Dreylin take your time.
About REM's core, I checked and they have in their front city 9 knights and 9 pikes. 1-2 of those wounded. So it wont be like a walk in the park, but I think it can be done and is worth.
What you guys think?
January 28th, 2015, 17:01
(This post was last modified: January 28th, 2015, 17:02 by Dreylin.)
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Well my suggestion would be to bypass their core and take the colony first - weakening them - then turn around and harass the core until Joey breaks their back ... Let him do the hard work! 
BTW, are we in a turn split with anyone at the moment, or can I log in whenever to take a look around?
January 29th, 2015, 05:17
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Well, we are not in turn split with anyone still I guess, as we dont have attack date and everything might just change.
January 29th, 2015, 05:20
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I have a slight opportunity to play during lunch time, so I will go ahead and play our turn and not wait on REM, as tonight is going to be quite a busy night.
January 29th, 2015, 05:23
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Plus I just noticed REM play in the second half against Joey, so us taking to play after him will make 3-way split.
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