WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Mattimeo]

Would that I could Edit:

Though, to be fair, with the exactly known (mostly singleton) roles of this game, the scum have a pretty bloody high chance of fluffing a claim and getting into a 1v1 with the actual role. And town wins when we've a 50% chance of someone being scum. So a mass claim is probably actually a decent idea this game - especially with the extra people cutting 2 possible 'safe' claims each.

So: We should probably mass claim. But don't. It's so much less fun.

[Lewwyn]

Seems a bit redundant at this point...

I was looking forward to your bigger post.

Why? I never had one. I went back when I got home and honestly felt like everyone had already said why Qg was suspicious. And I agreed. Would you like me to aggregate everyone's points and then go down a list of why I agree with this that and the other thing? Because it seems pointless and boring to me.

[Mattimeo]

non-edit the second: also, if we're going to mass claim eventually, our best bet is to do it as early as possible. Every townie who shows up dead is one less conflicting claim the scum have to risk.

[Jkaen]

I think we should start by assuming that we're somewhat good at this game and the six people who all get a ton of suspicion won't all end up being town.

What 6? We have the following people who have made lists, all feature some different people but more than 6, and there are others (i.e. Bob) who have also gotten heat.

And by forcing everybody to claim nice and early it means the scum can get about 6 village claims a day in, in order to help them pick their shots.

Ahh I see, my 6 was an estimate of how long it takes to get somebody up to a majority, get a role reveal then get the next person up to a majority etc

[Meiz]

What is so impressive about this post that makes you think it is pre-prepared? I mean...I don't get it. It's a phone post by me, composed on the spot. You can even see some of my tics there - the misspelled "jailsd" which comes up in tons of my phone posts, the lack of much formatting, the lack of any image or gif links (though admittedly, I never do gifs anyway, but this was a time when I wanted to, but couldn't because of phone), the lack of some specific capitalizations (Day 1, for example), the lack of complicated smilies and the presence of ones I forget don't show up on this forum....I could go on, but is this really a tell? Like, this just baffles me. I can link you to examples of the above, if necessary, but surely you recognize them?

It also has brackets and italics, so clearly you've used extra time to compose it . Look, I'm not going to use that against you, but I thought Ichanbod's picking on that was insightful on his part.

@Jowy, it's generally a bad idea to give answer on anothers behalf (Jabbz's in this case).

I'm wondering why the Q wagon got off the ground so fast compared to Novice wagon. Roleblocker really isn't that strong of a role, not even close to Doctor. Should it not be natural to vote for the more suspicious discard? Are townies this afraid of lynching a good player.. or did the Q wagon ramp up so fast because he's town?

Generally speaking people are more hesitant to lynch novice since he's considered one of the better players. But novice did pick good amount of votes as well.

Lewwyn loves playing scum / SK, and I strongly believe he would took them if given the chance. He loves the mind games.
His suspicion of Ichabod is pretty bad IMO (http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid518007)
Ichabod's attack on dtay was backtracked to begin with. He included a point regarding his forum personality with comment "maybe it's just how he rolls". So your accusation of him trying to backtrack later doesn't make sense.

Sort of agree with this. It's not a crime to make bad attacks on day 1, but Lewwyn's attack on Ichabod looks a little more "malicious" than Ichabod's attack on dtay. The latter looked more like probing for tells than casting aspersions.

Or I'm thinking out loud.

Meiz the whole idea of probing for tells would mean that you would be a bit more forceful then backtracking the whole time you are probing, no? I usually get suspicious of people who ask too many questions. It's like the questions get you "involved" but then there's no need to actually do anything about it. If you think it was malicious Zak, I'd hate to hear what you'd define any other time I accuse someone of scum. I didn't think I was attacking very harshly.

That said Ichabod is definitely on my radar.

But that is not what you accused him of to begin with. I think your accusation was flawed and I find it hard to understand how you draw the conclusion of Ichabod attacking town and then later backtracking & looking for a way out.

Since we won't be hearing from Qgqq for a while, I'll vote Lewwyn

[Rowain]

Why? I never had one. I went back when I got home and honestly felt like everyone had already said why Qg was suspicious. And I agreed. Would you like me to aggregate everyone's points and then go down a list of why I agree with this that and the other thing? Because it seems pointless and boring to me.

I thought you had a post in mind when you made your promise. More than just about Qgqqqq. Has anything else triggered your scumdar or made you question your stance on Qgqqqq?

@Mattimeo
It would be a question of order - who claims first. With 5 vanilla townroles still possible scum has a relative save claim too.
And going 1:1 is a bad idea in case a SK is around.

[Jkaen]

Ok, I think Jowy is all over the place here.

He states he sees 11 roles he would switch for roleblocker, then after saying everybody should be on novices jumps on the Q train.

Then seems to randomly get bored with that and decide to just drop that approach.

[Jowy]

@ Meiz:

My observation about Novice is just me saying that I think he got a good wolf role, or SK, and that's why he was willing to give up the powerful doc role. GF is one of those, others would be strongman, 1shot gov, and 1shot day wolf. I'm not sure if I buy his cop claim, but it does at least temporarily take the pressure off him, as it really is kind of in our best interests to see whom he claims as scum, and if he isn't a cop, there is a reasonable chance we have a real one in our ranks.

He has answered the question. I just pointed out why he might have had specifically GF in his mind.

[AdrienIer]

Wow guys I'm supposed to work not spend an hour catching up on this on my phone !
Q will be away for a day, let's spend that time looking at other people. I'd be looking at Jowy had he not discarded mafia tracker. Could be a way to hide if he drew goon/tracker. He's been changing his mind a lot, making a show of participating while backing off from actually investigating. I got bad vibes from Zak at one point, will try to find where it xas when I get home.

[zakalwe]

I didn't think I was attacking [Ichabod] very harshly.

Yeah, that wasn't what I meant, either. But it was a "real" attack that could potentially be followed up with a vote to lynch him. Ichabod's "attack" against dtay was much less direct, and more like raising a discussion point. Here it is, for reference:

These "the game play like this" posts are really wolfy...

Though dtay seems to be a pretty analytical guy from what I read from him in the forum, so I get this is just how he rolls, perhaps. (I get a similar vibe from his posts in Civ reports).

You classified that as an attack that he later had to back out from. I'm not sure I agree with that, to me it looks more benign.