WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[zakalwe]

@Zak:

I...didn't even think of that. Well, maybe the jailer decided not to listen to me... Anyway, we can't be sure.

Still, I doubt that we can pass everything that Lewwyn did as "wanting to be scanned" - he nearly got lynched day 1, after all.

What, you didn't think about lying? What kind of townie are you?

Was that really a good post by Jabbz? Or just long? Honest question because I haven't had time to read it properly yet.

[Jowy]

Gaz, Adrien, Fenn, welcome to my town circle. It's getting crowded in here.

[Jowy]

At this point maybe I should make a scum circle instead?

Bob, Jabbz, Azarius, Rowain, Molach, Jkaen. Welcome to the danger zone.

[Gazglum]

At this point maybe I should make a scum circle instead?

Bob, Jabbz, Azarius, Rowain, Molach, Jkaen. Welcome to the danger zone.

[Qgqqqqq]

This is the post Jowy linked to:

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Scum Reads

Qgqqqqq - On this reread my feelings have not changed at all. His early posts trying to justify dropping the roleblocker feel *too* desperate and I personally don't like the delayed reveal. The way it is set up, he will be revealing at close to the last possible minute, leaving little time to counter it and corral the votes. It behooves him better to buy time while people are having a fish around and hope someone else trips up or makes the vote close. I know early reveals aren't optimal, but I think that this would have been more appropriate.

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Of the candidates, none but me and Lewwyn were discussed. Novice, and most notably Jabbz were not discussed. Notably because of this

I'm not a fan of lynching possible cops on Day One as it's a very risky gambit, so I am backing off Qgqqqqq for now but I'm not sure I buy his claim.

Novice's claim is weaker and his relative absence has been conspicuous for someone I remember as being an active villager.

Jowy summed up the case on Jabbz pretty well, though I have to say that if he hadn't made that post,I doubt that I would've noticed Jabbz enough to vote for him.

Out of those three, I'm voting for Jabbz as I don't want to risk a power role dying early when they can easily be checked or proven overnight.

Not only does he vote Jabbz - the only hope of saving novice - but he retroactively talks about his suspicions on novice and how his is the worse claim, which he didn't mention in the above post, despite it coming after my claim. This reads like wanting to have the cake and eat it too - bowing to the consensus on bad cops despite previously preferring me, but still pushing up another candidate.

I'd vote TT, but he's getting enough atm, and I'd rather get a response out of Jkaen.


All of this is making me less certain on Jabbz...Lewwyn works, but all his other late voters have also painted themselves quite scummily, and I can't see the likes of TT having the foresight to push a fellow scum up alongside the certain candidate. Still, I'll have a look back over his defense later.

[Qgqqqqq]

@Zak: I thought it was. Nice analysis of some of the voting patterns - which I've never been very good at.

Then again, there seems to be a bit too much focus on Twinkletoes therein - and he's someone who's already been pushed up a bit, so it reads slightly...not cowardly, exactly, but more cautious, more inclined to follow and support the determined consensus. Which could be just the way he plays, but it does fit with his earlier suspicious patterns.

So yeah, still a good post, but there are some problems on reread.

[Jabbz]

If you could show me where in the voting patterns someone else deserves additional scrutiny, then I'd be down to re-evaluate. That's what I got on my first run through. He stands out.

Again I am getting shit simply because I come check in later than other people :/ I mean ffs, you guys gave me shit for jumping on novice late. Jumping on the guy who dropped doctor. Whom EVERYONE else who read that before his claim jumped on. Who turned out to be the bad guy. But for some reason, me doing it is terrible :/

[Azarius]

I don't think he would scum it up deliberately. He's pretty likely to be scanned early, regardless. And there's no rush to get scanned, if he can just avoid suspicion instead. He also took no stance on Jabbz, ignoring that wagon. Instead, he tried to get something going on Ichabod, and when that backfired, doubled down on Q.

Cut out embedded quotes due to popular demand. The above is referring to Lewwyn. I think Lewwyn looked quite scummy closer to the end of the day actually. I can elaborate if you'd like, but my point is that I tend to think it was intentional. It certainly looked bad to me, and it seems like I'm not alone in that regard. I think Lewwyn is a good enough player to realize how it would look, so it's likely he was doing it to attract attention.

[Ichabod]

Missed deadline cause of oversleep (causing me more problems than just this mafia game, bleh).

I honestly would have switched my vote to Jabbz had I been up, I felt like it would have been the safe play to get scans from all 3 cops (possibly of each other) which would help us pick right. Plus the mafia might kill 1 of the 3, further improving our odds. Anyway, we obviously picked right and got the liar, so now I'm pretty convinced the other two are town or this is the mother of all gambits.

Won't have a ton of time today or tomorrow but can intermittently post (traveling sat-mon).

Don't think Ichabod's arguments are very good, feels like forcing a case after being setting it up by being wishy-washy on day 1. It looks weird if you put those 3 sentences next to each other, but they happened admist a whole lot of other (sometimes long-ish) posts over 48 hours. And more importantly, are well, accurate descriptions of what I was talking about at the time. It would seem to me to be more suspicious to NOT mention them. Particularly the double-scum one, since people were actively making that mistake I recally early on day 1. Actually, I didn't even really explicitely mention myself in that one, so not even sure it counts as a self-accusing post.

Re: Lew, that's not how it happened. Lew didn't really defend me while you were attacking. He retroactively went back and said your attack was suspicious. It feels a lot more equivelent to a mafia trying to come up with any case he can than defending the relevant person under suspicion (since I wasn't even remotely under threat at the time of Lew's posting).

I need to reread day 1 to really have day 2 reads given how informative the night was, but have to do it on my phone in airport so is gonna take a bit.

Ichabod takes a hit in my eyes for above bad arguments, but then he has a fair town buffer cause of the lew/ichabod fight on day 1 so atm I doubt he's scum.

Well, this kind of fits with the picture I have of dtay.

Dtay is a man of reason. When you are a wolf, it's hard to use reason, because, well, you know your arguments against other players are all lies. So, you look at places where you can use your reason to talk. Examples: meta posts, defending yourself against bad arguments.

You were very reasoned through day 1, you are being reasoned now. But not about hunting wolves, because you know who they are and you have to attack others, who you know aren't. So, you stick to places were you can use reason, meta, general good/bad play for the village and defense against bad accusations. You are having trouble coming up with other topics of discussion.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear your thoughts about who you suspect and why.

[Azarius]

I could have sworn that Jabbz was on Twinkletoes day one as well, but I looked back and can't find it. The larger post from him today was his first post this game I've genuinely liked. He looked scummy most of yesterday, but the way the votes came down makes him look better. I actually agree with his reasoning on Twinkletoes89.

I am eager to hear more form Jkaen, but he has promised us more tomorrow and I'm sure he wouldn't dissapoint.

Jowy, would you care to elaborate more on your circle reads?