WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Ichabod]

Yeah I agree with that meta-stuff, Ichabod. (Very scummy of you btw.) Mass claiming on day one was the way to go here, and I even thought so back on day one. I didn't say it, though, because it's just not a fun way to play the game. I think the concept is great, but we need a much larger deck with more duplicates, so that counterclaims are less powerful.

Agreed. I'd play in a very different way if the meta stuff wasn't lingering all the time around my head. The concept is very interesting, but I think it can be made better.

But that's for the post game discussion.

[zakalwe]

Regarding claims, Azarius should go next, followed by TT perhaps?

After that, everybody actually discarded bad roles and could feasibly claim vanilla, so it probably makes no sense to continue (unless there's a counterclaim, of course). Or am I missing something?

[Qgqqqqq]

I don't really buy the challenge comment. Have you ever played scum in here? Anyways, you still got me halfway in your pocket

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Oh no, the only thing I was afraid of was getting double mafias, and luckily it didn't happen. Simply put, I really dislike playing on the mafia side.

This, and the original comment about not wanting to be mafia, feel a bit too forced. Like he's trying to emphasize it more than is necessary.

I think Qgqq just needs to claim his role at this point. The other option seems to be wasting the day by claiming at the last minute.

This is posted before 12 hours have elapsed in the game. Meiz, whilst most certainly not the only one, is amongst the group that pushes for my claim, and probably the most experienced of that number.

Jowy, while I agree with some of your early town reads (me, zak, dtay), just dropping one liners will not help us to read you, which I assume is a big part of sharing those reads. In fact, those kind of comments are also an easy way of giving impression of activity. Also, what's your town read on TT?

I'll give a small town lean for Zak for spotting Jabbz's GF comment. That indicates that he's really looking for clues.

Ichabod's posts so far seem genuine. His wolf tell on Qgq was really insightful (Qgqq spending time crafting the post).

Not a huge fan of using maths in WW, but I like dtay's active posting and content so far.

Slight town lean on Molach, his thought process on Azarius seemed to evolve naturally, and didn't feel like a fake attack. I'm not too sure on this, but I think he also prefers playing town over mafia.

Refreshing to see content posts from Matt . However giving town lean for Zak & Lewwyn based on them playing mafia last game is not solid, since that game was far from a standard mafia game.

Bob, you list reasons in favor of not lynching novice today, but do you still prefer lynching him today? "No one jumping as scummy" comments are unhelpful.

Lewwyn loves playing scum / SK, and I strongly believe he would took them if given the chance. He loves the mind games.
His suspicion of Ichabod is pretty bad IMO (http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid518007)
Ichabod's attack on dtay was backtracked to begin with. He included a point regarding his forum personality with comment "maybe it's just how he rolls". So your accusation of him trying to backtrack later doesn't make sense.

The rest of this post is also pretty bad. It's largely a connection of one-liners and quick reads on the players, without much substance behind it - not only that, but a lot of them are quite standoffish. Take the Jowy point, for example, where he seems to be pressuring him, but he adds a bunch of corrolaries to it - I think you're town, this just won't help us read you, and so on.

Plus, the note about Ichabod's read on me looks a lot like buddying, as does this:

You mean I'd be giving town tell for you too easily and therefore would be fishing your favor? It's a day 1 read, plus I haven't really found your other posts suspicious either so far.

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Generally speaking people are more hesitant to lynch novice since he's considered one of the better players. But novice did pick good amount of votes as well.

Another vague 'pressure-to-claim' note - "novice got a load of votes, but they dissappeared after he claimed, now why don't you do that?" sort of vibes.

Or I'm thinking out loud.

Meiz the whole idea of probing for tells would mean that you would be a bit more forceful then backtracking the whole time you are probing, no? I usually get suspicious of people who ask too many questions. It's like the questions get you "involved" but then there's no need to actually do anything about it. If you think it was malicious Zak, I'd hate to hear what you'd define any other time I accuse someone of scum. I didn't think I was attacking very harshly.

That said Ichabod is definitely on my radar.

But that is not what you accused him of to begin with. I think your accusation was flawed and I find it hard to understand how you draw the conclusion of Ichabod attacking town and then later backtracking & looking for a way out.

Since we won't be hearing from Qgqq for a while, I'll vote Lewwyn

Meiz's interactions with Lewwyn have just generally been slightly odd. I understand why that's giving him a strong town-tell from some people, but let's break down his posts on him to this point:

- Lewwyn discarded IC, he has a gun.
- People discarding town roles are ones we should look closely at [including Lewwyn]

In both these the emphasis is off Lewwyn. He's buried in a pile of names or reactions. Then:

-Lewwyn would probably go mafia/SK given the chance + his attack on Ichabod was stupid (again, buried in a pile of reads) {Followed by:}
- This post, which turns around and votes him because of a weak/over-emphasized attack. (but which keeps it clear that he'll jump off and onto me later)

I'm not saying that the reasons he used to attack Lewwyn are flawed (although one should note that they are laced with Ichabod-buddying). I'm saying that the way that Meiz grows in reaction to Lewwyn is notable and doesn't feel organic. Initially he's keeping it low-key, there but hidden away, but as time goes on bringing it more and more out. Finally this confrontation comes out, and only after directly interacting with him does Meiz choose to vote - but with a qualified one, one that has a clear and easy escape route.

[Qgqqqqq]

Regarding claims, Azarius should go next, followed by TT perhaps?

After that, everybody actually discarded bad roles and could feasibly claim vanilla, so it probably makes no sense to continue (unless there's a counterclaim, of course). Or am I missing something?

Agreed.

[Jowy]

Q night results?

[Qgqqqqq]

What's your opinion on me Q?

Now, i think that you're scum. On day 1 you opportunistically took advantage

[Molach]

Havent fully read last couple long posts, but if we are lynching Ichabod today, why claim?
We lynch ichabod, then go into night with full knowledge to scum.

Why not hold claim, lynch Calvin, leave scum guessing in the night then claim tomorrow? Call it "last chance to prove yourself with your role-night"

[zakalwe]

Yeah, if we're set on lynching Ichabod regardless of what happens, I guess that makes sense, Molach.

But if we think we can catch mafia today instead, then "playing on" makes sense. And I haven't entirely dismissed the thought of hiring Ichabod as a substitute vig.

[Jabbz]

Why on earth would we give up an entire 48 hour period of analysis. Claiming allows us to spend a good portion of this day feeling each other out. Not claiming leaves us with very little material with which to work. Why WOULDN'T we claim the question. Why don't you want us to claim? You want another day for the mob to kill another townie, plus give a possible other SK a shot as well? That seems like a less than stellar plan, unless you're rooting for team skum.

[Qgqqqqq]

What's your opinion on me Q?

Now, i think that you're scum. On day 1 you took advantage of lewwyn's inactivity/a bunch of other factors to manufacture a scum fight - which we can see in the way he attacks you full-on after the novice reveal. Really, i think you've been trying to use that to skate through ever since. Early on, you also pushed the cause of claiming extensively, in an attempt to make things easier for your faction. Since day 1, i honestly haven't even given you a second glance, and i doubt anyone else has, either. You've survived thus far off it, but i doubt you were banking on such a bloody night, and process of elimination makes it much harder for you to hide.

Like i said, meiz wouldn't have been my first choice today, but on reconsideration, i really do think he's scum. Thus far i've only managed to cover the first 200 posts, but i'll go through the rest and i'm pretty sure it matches me memory/case.

@jowy: results are something that i'd rather not reveal quite yet, but they should be obvious.