WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[AdrienIer]

AdrienIer seems a little bit more complex than something that simple.

That warmed my heart

Nice flowchart. I'm currently stuck at "choose the person that is scummiest".

I think Doctor Saul may be narrowly it, though.

Narrowly ? Who's the next scummiest ?

My votes went joke->random->revenge so I might not be in the right position to ask about someone's scumdar. Maybe it's time I started actual scumhunt ?

So many possible mislynches, very few tells, but at least we're distinctly out of the joke vote phase and into the "incredibly small tell leads to a wagon on an unlikely wolf" phase. If I understand correctly Doctor Saul hasn't played WW here for some time, maybe he's rusty instead of scummy. I'm tempted to go after Gaspar and Matt for lurking but it can wait till tomorrow. Matt is a lurker as scum AND as town (at least in his last two games) so no tell there. Sunrise has only two meaningful posts too, but they had a point and contributed to the discussion.

But actually Fenn's reasons for voting on me were odd :

Don't think Adrien is all that suspicious for the self vote but it did need to be pointed out.

I'd understand if his reasons were "it was that or a random vote, so I chose that". Need to be pointed out ? I don't see it.

Not that Q isn't suspicious (as far as you can be suspicious on D1) but I need to move to an actual vote now.

[dtay]

Seeing Brick post:

So there is only 1 post? People sagely nodding "yes I see this pattern in these two posts" while there is only 1 post?

Zak = bad arg
People agreeing with Zak = weirdly convinced by bad arg, inventing a 2nd post

Both somewhat scummy, but I think the latter even moreso.

[BRickAstley]

Dtay I might have been the only one thinking about 2 posts, unless someone else said so.

[dtay]

After refresh - order of (important) events:

1) Saul Post
2) Jabbz notices pind hasn't played a game with me
3) Zak also says he doesn't like the mixup
4) Zak says it's formulaic
5) Jabbz says Saul only scummy thing, doesn't specify for which reason
6) Saul responds
7) Zak still thinks formulaic
8) Jabbz quasi-attacks Gazglum for suggesting pind got jowy and me mixed up
9) Novice posts, not really picking a side
10) Zak actually puts vote on Saul
11) brick quasi defends the formulaic post
12) Novice puts vote on Saul
13) Jabbz actually puts vote on Saul
14) Brick makes the "2 posts comment"
15) I say things/recent events

I find Jabbz and novice the most suspicious of the 6 actors here (Saul, me, Zak, Jabbz, Brick, Novice). Followed by Zak. Zak makes what I find to be very meh arguments, but Jabbz buys into them too quickly in a bandwagoning fashion, and novice jumps on after not really expressing suspicion before (and still didn't really explain the reasoning).

No one else actually made 2 posts mistake, so forget about that part. Brick thought there were 2 but wasn't even on Saul or attacking him.

[Doctor Saul]

Novice's vote makes sense to me. Agree with you that I would like to hear Jabbz expand on his reasoning behind his vote.

[zakalwe]

AdrienIer, the second scummiest is Mattimeo, who I was voting for until I switched to Saul.

I have to go and shovel some dirt snow. Back later.

[novice]

Have you figured out who you confused Dtay with, Saul?

What was aggressive about Dtay's posting?

[Jabbz]

Jabbz is the one most suspicious in this, rather quickly (but halfheartedly) finding what I think is a pretty bad argument persuasive.

Novice's vote makes sense to me. Agree with you that I would like to hear Jabbz expand on his reasoning behind his vote.

I think it's pretty obvious if you don't just look at the post where I voted, but what led to the entire conversation.

I thought Dtay was new to WW. Is this perhaps a wolf covering for another wolf, without actually making sure he has played with him before?

A slip of the magnitude that Saul made is substantial. He then doubles down on it as you will note below.

I remember playing with dtay before, and he was aggressive then. and I've been away a while from ww so he's certainly not new to rb or ww

On top of that, I added this.

Saul's play is the only stuff today that actually stands out as scummy. Everything else is kind of wishy washy, maybe scum, maybe joke, etc. This stuff though... It looks like someone trying to float on by without attracting much attention.

So yeah. It's a fairly fleshed out case, at least day one wise. The way Dtay is defending Saul, and the way he jumped off as soon as the train got momentum makes him look pretty scummy too.

[Doctor Saul]

Have you figured out who you confused Dtay with, Saul?

What was aggressive about Dtay's posting?

Have not had a chance to go back and dig through old threads. I don't even recall the number of the last game I played.

Dtay was pushing actively and making a lot of early accusations. He seemed one of the first people to get out of the joke votes and into actively going after people. And he didn't fixate on one person either, he appeared to go after everything that caught his suspicion. Hence aggressive.

@Zak- no further reasoning about your bad argument? Maybe you'll come up with something good while you're shoveling snow!

[dtay]

I think it's pretty obvious if you don't just look at the post where I voted, but what led to the entire conversation.

I.. don't think it's obvious at all. After the initial slip up post (an easy kind of obvious slip up to try to exaggerate the magnitude of), you don't actually add any other argument or case to that in any subsequent post. "saul seems the most suspicious" post and the post attacking gazglum are all you put out there before the vote post. And the actual vote only comes after novice gets on board.

The way Dtay is defending Saul, and the way he jumped off as soon as the train got momentum makes him look pretty scummy too.

I got on the train because saul had basically not had a substantive post. Then he had a substantive post + the subsequent defenses of himself/voiced suspicions, which got him solidly out of "not posting" territory and voided the only reason I was on him.

And then you/novice/zak started hounding him for what I think are really bad reasons, which looks even more suspicious given Saul's train looks at that point like it could pass by some of the earlier people sitting on ~3 votes.