WW37- For Whom the Bell Trolls

[Rowain]

I've told him, but he's away this weekend and I haven't heard from him. I'm hoping he'll check in sometime this evening.

Ok so he gets some more time.

Lets pressure Qg Agnes for a while.

[Goreripper]

The perspective your mom joke was great Zak. But.

To be honest, I find the stance that "scum would welcome a day one mass claim" to be slightly disingenuous.

Is lame. Go on now go walk out the door. Mass claim might be good for hunting. But it is lame and sad meta gaming not real werewolf.

Which means I side with Agnes.

So novice.

[Agnes The Orphan]

I don't think it's a given that they can claim exactly what they have and not stand out. And even if they can, they don't know for sure if that is so until they've seen some town flips.

Those rules are standard phrases that were copied from the last game. But this game was designed well before that one.

To be honest, I find the stance that "scum would welcome a day one mass claim" to be slightly disingenuous.

Have we ever had this in a role madness game? I don't believe we have - I know I was surprised when I read that bit. That's the difference to, say, Commodores' game. There, scum had plenty to lose by claiming early (Bricks fakee being the obvious one). Here...what do they honestly lose? Compared to the gain of knowing more village roles.

[Agnes The Orphan]

I think any scum would feel trepidation at claiming first no matter what assurances the GM has given.

I still don't get why this is. What are they losing? The ability to gambit? With roleseers or something along those lines likely, why would they want to gambit?

@novice: At only a few hours into the game? When I'd spent several hours arguing with someone elsewhere on the fora?

[Agnes The Orphan]

Forgot to respond to this last night, and the conversation about lurking brought it to mind.

Two things are unrelated. I am busy, and nearly didn't join because of it. Hence I'll be lurking more.

Another player reminded Q that I existed. Q was excited, because we hadn't seen each other in ages. And so...here I am.

What I meant by this was that, assuming you play in character, you're going to be acting a lot differently than the Qg that we know, thus it will be harder to read. Add that to your lurking and you'd make a great wolf this game, whether or not they are related :P

I'm a great wold every game :P (no matter what alignment I roll...)

Again, I'd be lurking regardless. So it comes down to you wanting me dead for playing differently. Man, this is a blast from the Bigger past...

[pindicator]

Jabbz, I know that there's not much to go on yet, but Q's not exactly piling on the Dickensian roleplaying. And he has an avergae amount of posts, he's not lurking. And he picked Agnes before he got his role. And I don't remember you going after Doctor Saul for smurfing last game, and Commodore is doing it this game too. So your reasoning feels a bit weak.

I'm not sure I agree with the roleplaying; I think he was just saying that Q is giving himself a cover for playing a different style if he wants to. But I do agree Jabbz is reading different to me this game. He was a lot more aggressive, over-defensive towny in the last game, but I'm not getting that here. How's school going for you Jabbz?

Goreripper is Commodore, right?

[Fenn]

We're 56 posts in, there's not much for Jabbz to be aggressive and defensive about. 'Commodorian sockpuppet' is indeed Commodore, yes.

Zakalwe has only posted about role-claiming meta aside from initial joke vote. And I find his argument for a mass claim assumes that
A. Scum won't have towny roles to claim
B. Scum will be among the first to be chose for claiming on Day 1
which doesn't inspire confidence. The risks outweigh the potential rewards, and I (again) think It's Just Lame.

[zakalwe]

Yes, Goreripper is a Commodorian sock puppet.

The perspective your mom joke was great Zak. But.

To be honest, I find the stance that "scum would welcome a day one mass claim" to be slightly disingenuous.

Is lame. Go on now go walk out the door. Mass claim might be good for hunting. But it is lame and sad meta gaming not real werewolf.

Which means I side with Agnes.

So novice.

Well, you're saying you agree with me, I think? "Mass claim might be good for hunting." You and Fenn think it's lame, but you agree that it could be effective. Agnes and Mattimeo say that it won't be effective, that the scum would welcome a mass claim and be happy to go first. Rowain acknowledges that scum would be unhappy to go first but says they'll be fine so long as they get to claim a bit later, and that other scum hunting strategies may be better. Of these, I find the "scum will be happy to claim" stance to be least credible. And I guess Agnes was more explicit about that than Mattimeo, so maybe that's where my vote belongs.

Anyway, I can agree that an organized mass claim might be a bit lame, but we shouldn't be too shy about claiming, either. Chances that you have the one role that everything hinges on are slim. And I do think that a scum will be nervous if he's forced to claim on day one, so he would prefer that "claiming is bad" is the established meta. It was mostly just a conversation starter, though.

Agnes

[zakalwe]

We're 56 posts in, there's not much for Jabbz to be aggressive and defensive about. 'Commodorian sockpuppet' is indeed Commodore, yes.

Zakalwe has only posted about role-claiming meta aside from initial joke vote. And I find his argument for a mass claim assumes that
A. Scum won't have towny roles to claim
B. Scum will be among the first to be chose for claiming on Day 1
which doesn't inspire confidence. The risks outweigh the potential rewards, and I (again) think It's Just Lame.

Maybe my last post clarifies a bit?

I said we should force someone to claim and take it from there. It was not really an argument for a mass claim, but it was immediately countered with some "claims are bad" rhetoric which I think is slightly suspect.

Again, if I were scum and drawing heat on day one, I would prefer if "claims are bad" is the established meta.

Also, your last post said that mass claiming would probably be the right move for town. Did you rethink?

[Shadeun]

Hi all I am here. Can't wait!