WW38: The Story of the Stories

[Shadeun]

Also I think Meiz had merit on Bob.

Molach. His role name doesn't fir with having just 2-shot kill prevention ability. Probably has another 9 commands in his sleeve. Hasn't been that active.

MEANT MOLACH in the above obviously

[Shadeun]

Meta: I think, Bob, the reason we have such apathy is that it felt like we won a long long time ago and now we are just hunting for a SK (or two, or a cult, or a hidden scum member).

The sweet taste of victory came too soon and now has soured in our mouths.

[AdrienIer]

Shadeun I meant when we kill Pindicator and he ends up town, will it change your opinion ?

[AdrienIer]

And I think Krill was one of the first/main voices against Meiz

[Shadeun]

which part of my opinion would change? I don't think Pindi is particularly scummy recently. Maybe I just can't believe bad things about Eeyore though.

Also: Pindi has been supportive of me so I suppose it is natural for me to be supportive of him. I should clearly reexamine my myself on that.

[AdrienIer]

If Pindicator is innocent then those who voted no lynch saved an innocent man

[Bobchillingworth]

@ Shadeun- my second ability simply suggests via Brick that someone do something to someone else. Nobody is compelled to actually listen. I haven't been bothering to submit "orders" because everyone will know who they're from, so what's the point?


There is no advantage in revealing my first ability at this juncture.

[Molach]

I should write something contributative here.
However I am really finding it hard to hunt the last wabbit here. SK would have hunted schemers as well as any of us. Ill admit to being a bit "lynch till we hit pay dirt or run out of villagers", following who we trust to be most towny as we go. I'm in my humble opinion pretty clearly not a schemer...but sk? Sure why not. My role-name stands out too and will get me lynched before too long - once the sensibles who understand that Sk-Molach might have called himself "Innocent Preserver of Life" are killed off

I also think Ive asked some questions that have gone unanswered. Only bob has talked about the Ichabod-nightkill-claim from jowy.

Jowy said
a. scum roles sucked
b. there are only 3 scum
c. we tried to nightkill Ichabod
before getting himself terminated. We believe a and b but c is obviously a lie....right? Well I kinda agree about a.
Why did he lie about c?
Why did he pick Ichabod?
On phone, as I am abroad, so cant be bothered to check, so for any diligent player: Did Jowy say Ichabod was target before or after Ichabod claimed his night-action? I wonder if Ichabod claimed runaway first. I think that perhaps he claimed that he didn't run away _after_ the receal by Jowy...if this is true then I don't think Ichabod could be sk - why throw away a perfectly good reason for nightkill to fail and rely on perhaps someone doctoring him?
Anyway I think this might be smart to think about.

I asked Goregringr about his power. How was BRick's instructions - when did you receive instructions - what sort of role is it where you have to visit a target picked out in advance by Brick - "do this" "okay" - how balanced is two day-vigging villagers plus nightkiller Shadeun...since we got kill-stoppage coming out our ears. So far villagers killed 3, schemers + sk 2. Something like that was one of prior posts.

Anyway, I'm okay with Shadeun for now.
A combination of "too many village killers" "Rowain is experienced and might be right" "if theres a 4th scum he is high suspect" and irrationally not wanting the drones to be murdered unavenged again.

Im at the Gothenburg beer & whiskey exhibition tomorrow so expect, and indeed hope for little tomorrow. Enjoy.

Oh, lurkers. Ive lurked lately. Lurking as a general scum can imo be caused by a desire to not say anything incriminating about your teammembers..."after my flip they are gonna go through my statements and deduce all my fellow scum" ...also lurking is often a smart way to let villagers get themselves lynched. A sk without teammembers to give away would not need to weigh his words as much. It is also obvious he would take care not to stand out. I also think he would try to get on the good side of villagers so they wont anger-lynch him.

[Shadeun]

Of course, but that wasn't the intention of voting no lynch. I was backing Rowain's plan of action back then - not voting to save pindi.

So my opinion wouldn't change on that. You were the only person to explicity use no lynch vote to save pindicator I believe, and I think you are (as much as rowain) leading (or appearing to) lead the town charge as of now.

You make some good points though, I just have a horrible feeling about Rowain and don't like that his powers have all come up useless and has lead the charge towards nothing constructive so far while appearing to be 'clearly town'.

Here are the other cases to be made:
Shadeun - lots of scummy actions, mainly saving gazglum. Though i am 100% sure he is innocent
Molach - don't like role name mis-match and complete lack of engagement. Also went back on a few actions said had taken.
Bob - just to get him to reveal his #1 power
Pindi - looking back, did make a lot of votes without justification, very bandwagon-y. Powers are just strange and still holding one back.
Matt - has been proven innocent by goreripper. Miss-hit on zak, MAYBE out of powers. Feeling zero pressure, I doubt we see matt until near deadlines. Doubt he has an insta-kill and also night kills as SK.
Adrien - not much of a case, but switching things around has certainly made nights more complicated to understand ;P
Goreripper - maybe quite an obvious SK case. Thirsts openly for blood more than any other. Certainly trying to wind up the game!
Ichibod - Comes in, is funny, votes with few words/reasons. Given clear pass as being immune to night kills. Still on everyones innocent list. Might just have given up, certainly was early on the 'frustration with the seers' bandwagon. Expressing that frustration would be strange if SK, so probably innocent.
Rowain - who on earth are you tracking? In addition to my comments in the body of my post. I think you are SK and playing an excellent town game also.

Fundamentally, even if you need to get my lynch out of your system, please pressure Rowain and others who continually come up with nothing with their powers.

[Shadeun]

Jowy said
a. scum roles sucked
b. there are only 3 scum
c. we tried to nightkill Ichabod
before getting himself terminated. We believe a and b but c is obviously a lie....right? Well I kinda agree about a.
Why did he lie about c?
Why did he pick Ichabod?
On phone, as I am abroad, so cant be bothered to check, so for any diligent player: Did Jowy say Ichabod was target before or after Ichabod claimed his night-action? I wonder if Ichabod claimed runaway first. I think that perhaps he claimed that he didn't run away _after_ the receal by Jowy...if this is true then I don't think Ichabod could be sk - why throw away a perfectly good reason for nightkill to fail and rely on perhaps someone doctoring him?
Anyway I think this might be smart to think about.

Seconded. Anyone got a good memory on this?

Molach: am on phone, some of my 'not contributing' claims towards you don't apply as much after that effort I think. (assuming your point on ichibod is legit). Spent an hour going through crappy iphone tabs and checking stuff so didn't see your post before hit post on mine. Sorry

On Lurkers & too many town killers. Thats a good point. I think its just ridiculour that Gringr + me + Matt (someone else??) all have kills (and 2 insta kills amongst that) and are all town. Seems very strange and unlikely that scum would be that weak against 13 town + SK as only 3 members. Maybe it was balanced with more scan roles around. Although town has a lot of jailing/switching/chaos so perhaps Brick anticipated that kills would be poorly executed. But goreripper gets a pass because he nailed novice.

To my above post: Goreripper gets huge town points because it is unlikely for him to have a day kill AND then night kill as SK and certainly wouldnt kill teammate 2 of 3 if he was scum.

From that perspective, me agreeing there is too much villager killing power and then clearing/agreeing matt and goreripper are town probably ties my own noose - but whatever. You'll see your mistake in the end and at least I'm publicly trying to figure this out - even if im doing a poor job of it (I will get better in the future!)