RB Pitboss #1 SPOILER - Hatshepsut / India

[regoarrarr]

Email from dreylin to sunrise and me

Morning guys,

Well, it looks like you're going to get away with one there sunrise; Exploit has ended turn with all his units holed up in KK and no counter-attack on either stack.

25 Rifles (+GG)
11 Muskets
12 WE
4 Cavalry
11 Catapults
1 Cannon

So what's the plan of attack; are we all playing at the same time, or in order - and if so what order?

My stack is:

12 Cannon
24 Rifles
14 Cav

[novice]

I'm confused. I thought Exploit had a turn split with dsplaisted and was moving during the first half of the turn? Or did Exploits vassalage to Dler end that war, so that Exploit had the entire turn at his disposition?

Is there a turn split going forward?

[regoarrarr]

I'm confused. I thought Exploit had a turn split with dsplaisted and was moving during the first half of the turn? Or did Exploits vassalage to Dler end that war, so that Exploit had the entire turn at his disposition?

Is there a turn split going forward?

I believe that the turn split was only for that war. So yes that is going to get him into a "double move" now (moving after Dreylin's stack last night and then moving again this morning now that the turn has rolled).

I find it a bit amusing that he is doing the same thing he excoriated me for earlier in the game but whatever - I'm not going to fight it

Email from Broker

Wow so he is ending turn and then moving units in response to war declaration. So what he is going to move them again first.

Anyway I wont delve into those issues. I moved my stack next to Dlers border he cant miss them now. I declare next turn and kill his first city the turn after.

He has a stack of 9 catapharacts on DSP's border. I hope they wheel around and come after me. His cannon rifle stack is still a turn away from Cream of Tartar that also should turn and head east to meet my attack. I will keep you guys apprised of the status of the southern armies.

[regoarrarr]

Okay the Battle of Killing Knife is over and KK has been razed. Total allied losses were 14 units (8 cannon, 5 rifles, 1 cav) to kill 60+ units and raze the city.

I will try to give a bit of detail on things in future posts

[regoarrarr]

Okay - here is the full chat log. I know that chat logs in and of themselves can be real long and tedious to read. However I think this chat log is instructive on the mechanics of MP warfare. I will summarize below, so if you don't want to read it all, just scroll down. Otherwise enjoy how many times I mock sunrise for being a n00b

regoarrarr: we're looking at 26 rifles 4 cavs 11 muskets 1 cannon and 11 cats
Dreylin: 12WE
regoarrarr: ahight
ah right
sunrise: ok, first keek, what cat promos do you have?
regoarrarr: so 60 units or so - do we have enough actual units to kill em al?
checking
sunrise: we have 72 rifles
regoarrarr: on the right tile? :-P
sunrise: yeah
regoarrarr: 3 barrage 1, 1 CR1, 1 5xp 1 3xp and 1 noxp
sunrise: ok, i guess promo the 5xp to accuricy
leave the 3xp one unpromoted
regoarrarr: through barrage or cr?
Dreylin: 3 Drill 2; 7 w/2 un-spent, 2 w/1promo
sunrise: does CRI let you get accuricy?
regoarrarr: yes
either cr1 or bar 1
sunrise: accuricy is the lower cultural defences faster promo, right?
regoarrarr: yes
sunrise: wow, didnt know CRI went there
regoarrarr: yup
n00b
sunrise: um...CRI+Accuricy then
regoarrarr: done
sunrise: Dreylin: 3 Drill 2; 7 w/2 un-spent, 2 w/1promo - what is that dreylin?
regoarrarr: that's his cats i think
Dreylin: my Cannon
regoarrarr: oh cannon
sunrise: ok
Dreylin: Please, no Cats!
:P
sunrise: ok keek, go ahead and bombard with cats
regoarrarr: done - used them all - down to 0
sunrise: perfect
ok, my unpromoted cannon already has 7.8%
so i think we want to go CR
regoarrarr: i have 12 cannon, all unpromoteed - 11 have 5xp nd 1 has 3
sunrise: but with so many units in the city, i'm not mathmatically certain at all where the crossover is to collateral
yeah, we want to make sure we save 1promo cannons for bombarding future cities and attack with 2 promo
Dreylin: Do we want to send at least one D2 in
his top defender is a D4 GG
regoarrarr: my c2 rifle has 12.5% odds
sunrise: i dont know....is drill IV really that much better than CG1?
regoarrarr: it would be better against weak units
sunrise: exploit really should have made him CG3
regoarrarr: drill iv also takes less collateral
sunrise: ok, i will make 1 cannon drill 2 and attack
Dreylin: I have D2 Cannon
sunrise: ok, go ahead and hit with it....make sure you've not grouped anything obviously
Dreylin: heh
nope, just un-grouped
regoarrarr: stonewall down to 9.5/14
sunrise: ok, dreylin
Dreylin: yep
sunrise: click options, and choose quick combat offence + quick combat defence
and in graphics, no combat zoon
regoarrarr: done
Dreylin: done
sunrise: thanks
regoarrarr: (or we're going to be here a looooong time)
sunrise: yeah
Dreylin: aha
sunrise: ok, which one of us has the least availability to play?
like in future days?
because we want that person to loose cannons
regoarrarr: today i should be done by about 1 or so, but future days i'm pretty available
sunrise: ok, so we're all pretty much available
Dreylin: so am pretty availale
sunrise: then it doesn't matter really
regoarrarr: so let's just divid by 3
if we plan to send in 12 cannons, let's each send in 3
sunrise: ok
i will go first
regoarrarr: then see where we're at if we need to send more
Dreylin: CR2?
sunrise: yeah
my 3rd withdrew
Dreylin: OK, so 3-each?
regoarrarr: sure
i'll go
Dreylin: OK
regoarrarr: 2/3 withdrew!
sunrise: cool
ok dreylin
Dreylin: nice
2/3 & GG

regoarrarr: c2 rifle up to 30%odds
probably 1 more each?
Dreylin: 29% w/ 21% withdrawal
on a Cav
C1 Pinch
sunrise: promote 1 rifle to anti-gunpowder and test odds please
thanks!
Dreylin: 48%
sunrise: ok, lets use 1 more cannon each
Dreylin: withdrawal!
regoarrarr: looks like we've damaged all the cg rifles
w/d also
Dreylin: 54.4% on C1 Pinch Rifle
34%/20% on C1 Pinch Cav
regoarrarr: 35% on c2 rifle
sunrise: i used another cast
cannon
have lost 2 at 57%+ now
i want to knock off the unwounded rifle
Dreylin: 68% now on Rifle
regoarrarr: nother cannon?
sunrise: ok regoarrarr, 1 more cannon
regoarrarr: w/d @ 77
sunrise: col
ok, there we go
all wouned in the city i think
regoarrarr: 1 flanking 2 cav unwounded
but ya know
Dreylin: ...
sunrise: ok
odds with pinch rifle?
Dreylin: 69 - dude
regoarrarr: are you thinking some barrage cannons now?
sunrise: ok....i think we may be nearing the point of deminishing returns
problem w/ barrage cannon is they will tend to die
Dreylin: w/d 45% on un-promo'd Cannon
sunrise: i'm hisitant to give up the prbably withdraws...like a 20% spread in w/d rate between barrage and CR
regoarrarr: yeah
sunrise: the question becomes if we want to risk 70% cannon or 70% rifles
i actually think the rifles are more replacible
regoarrarr: i would tend to agree
Dreylin: prbably
sunrise: ok, how many 2promo rifles do you have dreylin?
with eligible pinch of course
regoarrarr: i have 11 5xp rifles
Dreylin: 3 5xp
sunrise: ok, why dont you promo those 3 to pinch and check odds and attack
regoarrarr: sunrise how many do you have? (on the right tile, of course) :-P
sunrise: take the attack if it's 66% or better IMHO
Dreylin: plus 2x C2, 1x C1Pinch, 1x D2
sunrise: i have zero rifles on the right tile
regoarrarr: n00b
sunrise: yeah
i have 10 conqs
and MGs and cannon
and my cav can hit
Dreylin: so I should send mine in?
sunrise: yeah, the 3
check odds before each though, dont stack attack
Dreylin: 3-wins
regoarrarr: stellar!
sunrise: cool
Dreylin: last odds was 75%
sunrise: ok, rego can you check odds of a pinch one?
Dreylin: I do have one more
sunrise: and a c2 if you have it
Dreylin: 73.4%
regoarrarr: pinch 73 c2 65
sunrise: ok
dreylin, go ahead and use the 4th
Dreylin:
sunrise: with this many battles i expect the odds to average out
and there you go
Dreylin: :P
Why couldn't one of you have averaged the odds, eh?
sunrise: ok keek, still have 70% on the top rifler?
regoarrarr: 73.4
i'd send "Lane" in but he only has 2xp....
sunrise: ok, take that...check each time for the c2 odds i think
Dreylin: 68%
I can check
66%
sunrise: y, as long as pinch odds are best just keep hitting with 70%+ i think
Dreylin: 66
regoarrarr: oh my GG WOULD be born in fairfield...
Dreylin: heh
regoarrarr: 4/4
c2 just went up to 70%
sunrise: 4/4 won?
Dreylin: mine's max-distance too!
regoarrarr: yes
sunrise: cool
Dreylin: 70%
regoarrarr: pinch at84
sunrise: cavs are now top cannon defenders
Dreylin: D2 = 71% vs Cav
sunrise: keep taking the pinch 84%s i think
pinch is a great in-the-open promo 2 versus drafted infantry
regoarrarr: 2 more won
now cavs are defeneing
Dreylin: 72% on C2
sunrise: do cavs defend vs a c2 rifle as well?
regoarrarr: no
Dreylin: no
regoarrarr: 76.5 pinch vs. cav
Dreylin: Cannon>
?
sunrise: btw, when we get down to really good odds, dont promo before you attack
like in the 95% range
regoarrarr: right
Dreylin: sure
sunrise: so dreylin, do you want to keep KK?
Dreylin: probably not
sunrise: ok
that makes it easier
Dreylin: ifwe can get LL & EE
regoarrarr: excellent
sunrise: ee is getting razed btw
Dreylin: otoh, would it affect how fast we getto EE?
sunrise: we've got to take out the shrine
Dreylin: really?
sunrise: i think so
Dreylin: You man we can't have it...?
sunrise: re-plant 2w on the plains hill
no, you can
i just REALLY hope it isnt recpatured
remember, it's on flat and up against enemy culture
Dreylin: yeah, I hear you
I hve a Spy in there
sunrise: so he can do the same thing we're doing, but with RRs totally out of the blue
regoarrarr: so what next - i have aboutg 15-20 mins before i should be done
Dreylin: so will take a look beyond
sunrise: so odds with the top rifle again?
regoarrarr: 76 withi c1pinch on cav
sunrise: i think i may want to use a cannon
regoarrarr: 72 on c2 rifle vs rifle
sunrise: yeah, 81 with my cannon
and it died
regoarrarr: lol
Dreylin:
regoarrarr: you're getting all my bad luck
sunrise: bah
Dreylin: Pinch odds?
regoarrarr: still 76.5
sunrise: ok, take it i guess
Dreylin: on Cav?
sunrise: at a ponit we have to conserve cannon
yeah
regoarrarr: it showed cav but attacked cannon
sunrise: 76 is still good
cannon died?
regoarrarr: yes
his
sunrise: ok
regoarrarr: 85 pinch on cav
sunrise: take
Dreylin: Do wewant to considersendng some Cavs?
sunrise: see those 11 cats?
eventially they become top defenders
so cavs for muskets and cats i think
Dreylin: OK
regoarrarr: sent in another pinch (won)
i have 2 7xp rifles left that can get pinch
sunrise: dreylin, you dont have any more 5xp, right?
Dreylin: C2 is still at 72%
no
2x C2 & 1x D2
sunrise: ok keek, i think promo those last 2 and attack
regoarrarr: finally died @ 86.7
2nd one won
i wont' tell my b-in-law that he just died :-D
sunrise: hehe
ok, odds w/c2?
regoarrarr: c2 still at 71
Dreylin: 72%
regoarrarr: 71.7
sunrise: ok, lets take it
Dreylin: but there are only 2Rifls with
any sort of health
regoarrarr: how many rifles do you have left dreylin?
Dreylin: my turn
regoarrarr: i have several if you n eed them but go ahead
Dreylin: lots
regoarrarr: ok
Dreylin: w 0-1 promo
regoarrarr: yeah most of mine are that way too
Dreylin:
regoarrarr: gg for exploit
Dreylin: 2x losses
&1%
71%
& 75%
regoarrarr: 84.8 with c2 now
sunrise: ok
go ahead and use the rest of the c2s i think
Dreylin: 7% w/C1
regoarrarr: loss at 848
Dreylin: 72% C1
regoarrarr: muskets now defend
Dreylin: Not showin vs. my C1
sunrise: except versus cannon, right?
ewrrrr.vs cavs
rifles still defend versus cavs right
?
regoarrarr: yes
Dreylin: 85%/4%
on Pinch
regoarrarr: pinch cav?
sunrise: ok
Dreylin: yeah
sunrise: yeah, hit with 1
Dreylin: win
sunrise: cool
Dreylin: 86/4% now with same
sunrise: ok
Dreylin: vs Cav
C2 vs Musket
80/6%
sunrise: yeah, take those 86s
regoarrarr: so c1pinch for cavs better than c2
?
i have 2 5xp cavs
Dreylin: Pinch gets cav
(got Cav)
C2 gets Muskets
C2 - 80/6%
Pinch - 88/3% vs. WE
regoarrarr: yeah i think send in those 80s
killed a WE with cav
Dreylin: OK, C2 now at 95%
regoarrarr: i got about 10 more mins
sunrise: ok, take the 95s
regoarrarr: yeah even c1 rifles are getting 94 vs muskets
Dreylin: it's not giving me odds....
regoarrarr: 78 for unpromoted rifles v muskets
cav died @ 93 /3 :-(
sunrise: i'm taking some conq battles
because we're in a hurry
regoarrarr: ok
Dreylin: lots of Cavs just won
all 14, in fact
sunrise: odds with war elephants?
Dreylin:
regoarrarr: c2 mace has 96
Dreylin: was gettng 94% w C1
sunrise: ok, hit with maces, w/e as long as there are odds
Dreylin: oh, my WE
sunrise: and the musket
Dreylin: C3 & 93%
sunrise: and the ha
Dreylin: down toCats
sunrise: you have a mace with movement regoarrarr?
Dreylin: ha is for GG
regoarrarr: no just used both of them
Dreylin: would get 90%
WEs all won
sunrise: hit with lim musket and maybe lin ha?
Dreylin: Musket won
sunrise: you attacked with all elephant, right?
regoarrarr: im' down to just 2xp rifles and c1 rifles
sunrise: some just unwounded?
Dreylin: Yep
regoarrarr: you mean unpromoted? yes
Dreylin: I have lots of 0/1xp Rifles
sunrise: ok, hit with unpromoted rifles
regoarrarr: yeah dreylin hit with your 1xp rifles
to get them a promo
then the 2s, since 0s won't get a promo
i have 2s
sunrise: make sure to burn the city
regoarrarr: we're razing, right?
jinx
go ehad dreylin
unless you';re 'out of 1s
Dreylin: ok, 2-left
out of 1's
regoarrarr: ok i'll go with 2s then unless you have some
unprmoted 2xp rifles i mean
sunrise: ok
Dreylin: I do
regoarrarr: ok burn the city then
Dreylin: 1 2xp, 13xp
sunrise: ok, we didnt take the tile ;(
regoarrarr: yeah
sunrise: ok, dreylin, leave your 3 MG on the tile w/ all the wounded units
and i will leave 2 of mine
regoarrarr: i have 3 also
sunrise: what defenders are in EE?
regoarrarr: can't see
Dreylin: I have 3Rifles & 7Cannon
1ifle
Rifle
regoarrarr: 1 rifle in EE?
Dreylin: yes
(Spy)
regoarrarr: gortcha
sunrise: ok, and no one has unmoved mounted right? except my 2 conqs?
Dreylin: also, 1Rifle NNE of KK
regoarrarr: correct i don't
sunrise: ok
Dreylin: yes
sunrise: so keek and dreylin's MGs stay with the stack
and so does the GG char
(by stack i mean wounded units)
regoarrarr: right
sunrise: my MGs will move now
Dreylin: You want my unmoved Rifles & Cannon as well?
sunrise: ok, everything not a MG or a GG char onto my units
Dreylin: Done
regoarrarr: also
Dreylin: You going to move yours somewhere useful now?
regoarrarr: lol
sunrise: ok, total losses?
regoarrarr, you have enough gold?
regoarrarr: yes
Dreylin: 3R, 2C
regoarrarr: i lost 1 cannon, 2 rifles, 1 cav
sunrise: i lost 5
so we lost a total of 14 units?!
to kill 60+?
Dreylin: yikes
:D
sunrise: gg exploit
regoarrarr: shoot i was in the civ window and typed something and units moved :-/
Dreylin: n00b!
sunrise: oh noes!
regoarrarr: no doubt
sunrise: hopefully nothing impoertantr?
regoarrarr: yeah
i don't see it in the exploit theater
okay sunrise unless there's anything else i need to ingame right now i'm going to bow out
and will check back in later
i'll be on IM imediately but can't get in game till later
Dreylin: 'bye
sunrise: ok, np
you said you have enough gold?
regoarrarr: yes plnety
sunrise: ok, see ya
Dreylin: Think I'm done for the turn too
sunrise: ok, gj dreylin
Dreylin: Thanks General!

I know that's a lot to read through. Like I said in the first post - we ended up losing 14 units to kill 60. Dreylin got 2 Great Generals and I got one (In Fairfield, the complete furthest city from Exploit...) Exploit also got one, in Club Canadian, so I assume that will be heading our way next turn.

Dreylin has a spy in Evil Eye, which is the Taoist holy city that we are heading to next - it has a lone rifle in it. I assume it will get slaved / drafted / reinforced next turn - we only have 2 conquistadors in position to attack it next turn, so unless it stays with just a rifle, it will be 2 turns before we take it.

Pics coming up next!

[regoarrarr]

First off - let's swap theaters. As I mentioned last night, there were 2 errr "Destroy Regoian?" frigates near his island city of Wild Wonders, as well as a galleon inside. I have 2 frigates, 2 galleons, a galley and an ironclad in the area.

I debated whether to stack my units, or use them to try and blockade my coastal city Sharonville to try and prevent a landing or amphibious attack. In the end, I decided that due to my naval superiority, it made sense to spread out my ships. I was willing to trade 2:1 (or even 1:1 if he was able to retreat back into the city.

When I logged in this morning, I couldn't find the frigates.



I checked inside his city - nothing. Then I checked the combat log



Cha-ching!

The ISS Athens took down the HMS Shower first, getting hit only once, then following it up with a sinking of the HMS Bathtub.

Don't mess with the Indian Navy!

With those frigates out of the way, I bombarded twice and will take the defenses down to 0% next turn, at which poitn I can consider an amphibious attack.

[regoarrarr]

Okay so here's some pics of the aftermath. Apologies that I didn't get a whole lot of time to crop and "enhance" them but I figured something now was better than maybe nothing later.

First we have a shot of the killing blow done by Dreylin. Pictured in the foreground is my stack (and you can see the ghostly shadows of Dreylin's below their pics)



Then we moved a bunch of stuff (mostly the stuff that hadn't attacked this turn) 1NW towards Evil Eye. Here is the stack that is headed that way.



If I'm counting right, 32 rifles, 2 conqs, 17 cannon, 6 machine guns.

And here's what we left behind (mostly to heal)



It goes off the screen due to all the wounded units but at least sunrise's rifles can get into play now. Have to see hwo things go / heal to figure out what we'll do here. Possibly we will send our mounted units to strike at Lin Lost

[novice]

That was an interesting chat log.
Still wondering where sunrise moved his rifle stack, though.

[regoarrarr]

The appropriate staging tile was the tile directly SW of Killing Knife. If you look at the last picture, it's 3N1W of Spicy Taco.

We moved 10 tiles on railroads from the east, through Spicy Taco and the 2 tiles NW of Spicy Taco (where sunrise's workers railroaded at the end of last turn) before arriving on the staging tile.

In all the hoopla, somehow sunrise moved his rifles 1S of the staging tile (2N1W of Spicy Taco), meaning that they could not take part in today's battle.

The tile his rifles were on was in Destroy Regoian culture and so couldn't move. We were hoping that the staging tile would flip to Lin after KK was razed (so his rifles could move N-NW and join the stack going to Evil Eye but it was not to be

[regoarrarr]

So some minor emails going around last night - nothing too important. One thing that I found was interesting was this email from dsp

Physics done, request it if you want it.

What am I supposed to be researching now?

Daniel

So that's not interesting for the fact that Physics is completed, though of course that is nice. What I find interesting is that he is looking for someone else (probably me) to direct him, at least in this part of the game. That indicates a few things to me. #1 - he is probably not trying to backstab me (yet?) . #2 - He may not have the total focused interest in this game necessary to win this game. The way I see things, the only way that this game is going to end any time soon is for the remaining powers to just concede to somebody (cough, cough, me ) Otherwise this could go for awhile... I may be reading too much into this, of course....

Okay so what do we want him to research. The obvious next 3 techs are Electricity, Artillery and Flight. Flight needs Combustion, which I am still researching, so that is out. Plus the other thing to consider is that of Broker, dsp and me (the 3 researchers in our group), dsp is the one I least "trust" in the sense that he may try to cut a deal with Exploit at some point. So if am coordinating things, it behooves me to "stagger" research so that dsp's ability to "catch" another civ up is limited. I've already kind of screwed thigns up by assigning him to research Scientific Method and Physics, which both unlock quite a few things. But I think it makes the most sense to have dsp research Artillery, which leads to only Rocketry, and have Broker do Electricity, which leads to Fission, Industrialism, Refrigeration and Radio. I'll do Flight after Combustion.

I think you should go to Artillery. Broker when you're done with Assembly Line (next turn?) - go for Electricity, and I will go for Flight once I complete its pre-requisite of Combustion.