WW39. Escape from the Congo.

[Rowain]

Rowain is still my top suspect. I’m a bit surprised, and slightly suspicious, that I got such absolute zero traction on the case. No other scum eager to help throw dirt on a strong town player?

Is the no other a scum-slip by you? You know when I'm town and get viciously attacked it was usually done by scum. Like sunrise and xenu did in 31. Your attack currently slowly drifting towards hysteria does begin to smell like that.

Maybe but an early head to head deadlock gives no info at all. Makes it also easy for scum to hide.

Which is kind of a meta defense.

Nope nothing meta in that. Plain simple truth. A head to head at the start of D1 is bad. For exactly the reasons stated. Makes me wonder why you don't see that.

[Jabbz]

The crew arrived at the village marked on the map, each lost in their own thoughts. To some, violence was nothing new. To others, it was something to avoid at all costs. To most however, the knowledge that two of their own were dead and that there was at least one person who had sabotaged their plans, lurked constantly in the back of their minds. Still, the march had been long, and they had arrived at the town well after dark, having stopped to bury their former companion in a roadside grave, so they were more than ready to go to get some much needed rest.

The village was small, and had little in the way of amenities. The members of the group had split up, sleeping in different homes offered by the friendly, if guarded, villagers. When morning came, they all assembled in the square, waiting for the daily run by truck to the nearest real town. After a quick headcount, they realized that their explosives guy was missing. They had barely started to search when they heard screaming from a nearby house.

Rushing to the house, the group discovered a hysterical woman, sobbing and shaking, as she stared at Lewwyn. He had apparently been relieving himself, and someone had strangled him from behind with some wire while he was in what passed for sanitary facilities. The job was so thorough that his head was nearly severed, and he clearly never had a chance. While the group had known all was not well, three murders, one committed by the group itself and two from unknown sources, drove home the fact that more than their fortune was at risk. If something didn’t change, most of them wouldn’t continue to draw breath much longer.

Lewwyn has died. He was an Honorable Thief

Day two begins.

[Lewwyn]

Good luck village!


Can't a guy just take a leak in peace? What's the world coming to.

[Shadeun]

Thanks for playing Lewwyn!

[Rowain]

GG Lewwyn.

[Gazglum]

Well played Lewwyn. You were truly an honourable thief:

Is the no other a scum-slip by you? You know when I'm town and get viciously attacked it was usually done by scum. Like sunrise and xenu did in 31. Your attack currently slowly drifting towards hysteria does begin to smell like that.

Of course its not a slipup, give Scum Glum some credit. And most townies tend to be attacked by scum, it's the nature of the game.

If you think I'm scum, make a case, not insinuations.

And it's a cheap shot saying I'm hysterical. If you want to see hysterical see my pirate duel with Ichabod. I'm making a case against you, and pretending that there is something crazy about it is another evasive way to countering it.

Nope nothing meta in that. Plain simple truth. A head to head at the start of D1 is bad. For exactly the reasons stated. Makes me wonder why you don't see that.

By meta I mean that is a defence divorced from any actual game interactions. You say its antitown to be subjective (which I disagree with, following your feelings is a perfectly valid way to play).

Novice disagreed with you too and argued that subjective votes help leave a trail. He said he considered voting you for it but didn’t want to make you defense vote (which I also think is a bit weird that early in the day). And then you said, “you shouldn’t vote for me because you shouldn’t put people in a head to head deadlock”.

So Novice made a specific disagreement with you, and you respond with a general defense that doesn’t make any mention of what that disagreement is.

Plus I think what you said about deadlocks is illogical. Why do 4/9 votes on two people make for a game wide deadlock? And you could just as easily say ‘it’s good to have two players equally up on the block, it forces scum into declaring for one side or the other’. Isn't that a strategy Town Rowain has happily employed before?

[zakalwe]

But then yes, I don't think both are scum at all. That can't be if Gazglum is scum.

Lewwyn, did this mean you think the Glum is Scum?

I do think that's what he meant. I don't know what his reasoning was, but I had a minor point against you for trying to undermine my Novice townread yesterday. (And my other premature town read, Lewwyn, was indeed innocent.)

Also, this looks very suspicious to me, if AdrienIer is scum:

This is a weak end to the day. Riwain lying low so adrien hangs. His argument that he is intentionally playibg worse (I say passive is worse) is absurd.I hate to do this, but im going to have to order everyone to move thier votes to him.

So maybe he suspected you as AdrienIer's partner in crime. (If AdrienIer is town, then I see that post as pretty null, though.)

I don't particularly like this post:

So do you think scum switched to him to save adrien? Meaning its a team of adrien and a brother?

Reminds me of Pindicator's "So in other words, you think X is scum?" posts from last game. Feeling people out, without committing to a stance of your own, under the guise of asking for clarifications.

[Gazglum]

On the bright side, we have rapidly narrowed down the suspect field. From my POV we have two wolves from Mattimeo, Novice, Zak, Rowain, Shadeun, Adrien.

Zak, Rowain, Adrien, me and Novice were on at deadline. Mattimeo and Shadeun weren't.

I'm not sure on Adrien's guilt. I didn't find his apparently 'frantic' post to be very damning. I think he sounds fairly normal for him. But he hasn't given me any particular reason to trust him either. Day 1 reads quite differently if he's guilty or innocent.

ASSUME ADRIEN GUILTY

If Adrien is guilty, he gets himself into a bit of bother half way through the day, then rapidly shoots into the lead when Lewwyn and Shadeun vote him in quick succession. Only 4 hours to go, and Adrien has painted himself into a corner because he's already declared Bob to be innocent, and people aren't joining him on Zak. So he'd need to wait for another wagon to start.

(Incidentally he doesn't join me on Rowain, which would seem an obvious ploy from scum Adrien. Maybe he sees its not going anywhere.)

NOvice shows up near deadline, and his behaviour would match a scum partner. Adrien is in trouble, he HAS to be saved (Novice doesn't want a repeat of last game). Novice says:

I've arrived. Adrien I won't vote for you but I won't join you on Zak either. I think Bob is still my preference but I'm still reading.

This would makes scum sense – it's already clear that Zakwagon unlikely to go anywhere, so not worth visiting. And he rules out Adrien emphatically but vaguely, 'he's not feeling it'. Tries throwing out two alternate lynches instead, to see if anybody will latch onto them: Bob and Lewwyn. This fits with my understanding of Scum Novice's game.

Meanwhile Zak sits and watches, and does nothing until the very end when he follows Adrien to Bob. But if Zak thought Adrien wasn't a good vote anymore, why didn't he try to push the vote to anybody else? Zak is weirdly passive at the end, and he's a confident enough wolf that he knows he could blatently switch to save Adrien and laugh it off afterwards. Lewwyn reminded us of that, before he was killed.

Anyway, if Adrien is guilty then I think Rowain and Shadeun are innocent. Rowain might vote his partner straight off, but he's good enough that he would have prepared an escape hatch near deadline. Rowain just sat there and was letting Adrien die.

Shadeun could have voted for anybody after his list post, so why vote his scumbuddy and push him into a 2 vote lead wth 4 horus to go?

Mattimeo could be a partner. His one mention of Adrien he says 'Adrien is playing badly but its not worth voting over', which could be a way of hedging his bets.

So if Adrien is scum, I think he is partnered with Zak, Matt or Novice. I would understand if other people thought he was partnered with me as well.

ASSUME ADRIEN INNOCENT

The day is pretty easy for the wolves. A comfor bandwagon starts on Adrien, and the two scum can sit back. This might make sense of the quiet final hours - I was the only person really trying to get an alternate wagon up at the end.

Rowain, Lewwyn and Shadeun were all happy to vote Adrien without giving any real reasons, and I think Adrien might be seen as a relatively easy target in this crowd. Zak, Lewwyn, Rowain and Novice are hard to lynch Day 1. Shadeun and Mattimeo were keeping their heads down. Adrien an obvious mislynch target.

This scenario fits my Rowain read - he votes Adrien for no good reason and then doesn't help push the case. He's hoping the mislynch saisl through while he focuses on avoiding my attack on him. Scum Rowain is very plausible to me here.

Shadeun also looks a lot worse in this scenario, locking in the 4th vote because 'ADrien seems off', though without explaining what that means or offering anything new. Mattimeo could be preparing Adrien as a possible future target by saying something similar about him in his own list post.

Novice doesn't make much sense to me as scum in this scenario. Saying he's ‘not feeling it’ regarding an Adrien lynch will make it hard for Novice to turn on Adrien for the mislynch later. And although it would make sense for Novice to set Lewwyn up for a mislynch, Scum Novice wouldn't then have nightkilled him.

Scum Zak is possible, but seems less likely too. Why switch from one innocent to another, as Adrien said? Unless he then wants to keep Adrien in his pocket as a possible mislynch. Zak is possible in this scenario I guess, but its convuluted.

So if Adrien is innocent, then I think Shadeun, Rowain, Matt all look like potential scum.

Mattimeo is the common potential scum link, which makes sense because he's only really offered one post and he didn't stick his neck out at all with it. The deadline should be a good time for Mattimeo, but he didn't check in at all. Which he may have had good reasons for, but it was convenient for him to steer clear.

Mattimeo, would you have still voted for Bob if you had been on at deadline?

[Gazglum]

Reminds me of Pindicator's "So in other words, you think X is scum?" posts from last game. Feeling people out, without committing to a stance of your own, under the guise of asking for clarifications.

I asked because I thought Lewwyn was being a bit mysterious. And I am happy to commit to a stance. Rowain is my top suspect based on the tone of his posts, Mattimeo is a suspect based on his activity and vote. Novice has felt more towny to me. You sound pretty normal, though your play has been odd. Shadeun and Adrien I am neutral on.

Zak, if you thought that you didn't much trust your fellow Adrien voters, why not sound out another possible case before Adrien moved his vote?

[Rowain]

@Gazglum
My talk with Lewwyn happened at start of D1 and not near lynchtime. At the start of D1 going to a "I vote Lewwyn - Lewwyn votes me" fight is plain simply bad. It distracts villagers it enables scum to hide and not post much content. There is nothing better for scum than have a 1 vs 1 starting early and clattering up the thread.

A thing pindicator for example executed with great success last game with his first stubborn attack on zakalwe and then his similar blindsided attack on Meiz. He was scum that game and would have won it.

You behaved quite similar.

Interesting is also that in WW 36 Wolf-Gaspar posted in his scumthread. If we leave him (Rowain) alive one of me and Brick is basically going to have to argue with him all day to distract him - he's much less productive when angry.

So you followed scum tactics quite closely but your big post is a turn to be more productive.