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Gavagai, the God-Emperor

von Adlercreutz,

First you need to understand that the topic of war in Russia is now heavily politicized. Russia had a national identity crisis after the fall of USSR and current national elite tries to rebuilt it around the "Great Patriotic War" (Russian name for the battles at the Eastern Front of WWII). This produces a very glamorized version of the events of the war which isn't much interested in historical truth but mostly serves as an instrument of propaganda.

In this picture there is a very limited place for the history of Russian - Finish relations. Objectively speaking, in relations with Finland Stalin and his cabal demonstrated cruelty and stupidity well beyond any possible human measure and failed miserably in all their schemes. This is a very straightforward story and it is really difficult to twist the facts in such a way to conceal it. That's why, yes, wars with Finland are usually marginalized and pushed to sidenotes. Sometimes you may hear extravagant claims like "Red Army perfomed better in Winter War than any other army would do in these conditions", "Finns were evil, they wanted to conquer Korelia" or even: "we only wanted to move the border away from Leningrad, why Finns were so pricky about this!?" (the official version of the Winter War in Soviet times, btw.). Saner heads, however, prefer to downplay the issue: "well, there was some local war; but, well, everyone was at war at this time, SU and Finns felt kind of left out; why couldn't they have their share of good fighting? what's even your point?" In a popular view Soviet - Finnish wars tend to be merged into a general narrative of a heroic war against a Nazi invasion.

Of course, there is also a contrarian literature: after all, not everyone is eager to build national identity around glorifying bloodbath. These authors aren't especially interested in truth either and mostly want to dig every possible fact (or slender) which portray Soviet Union in the worst possible light. For these guys wars with Finland are a goldmine and they write extensively about them. They rely on Finnish sources a lot (incuding, I think, some obvious war propaganda) and present a very pro-Finnish version of events. I can't trust them but they at least have some genuine interest in the subject.

On a personal note, I always deeply admired how Finns fought for their liberty and independence at seemingly impossible odds and prevailed in the end. Even when Soviet Union was installing puppet governments all over the Eastern Europe, Finland remained independent - in a large part due to ferocity of Finnish soldiers in 1944. And make no mistake, you, guys, have avoided a truly terrible fate: ask any person from the Baltic states to the south of you which have chosen to just surrender. Sacrifices which you made to fight back the Soviets were entirely worth it.
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About glorifying Stalin - it is rare on official level. Highest government officials usually pay lip service to "victims of Stalin crimes" and officially denounce terror, Gulag and other "excesses". If they want to praise Stalin for something, they usually speak very carefully.

However, Stalinist propaganda is wide-spread on a semi-official level. To give an example - in a typical Russian bookstore there are shelves and shelves of Stalinist literature. If you trace back the funds behind all these books you will usually find governmental or para-governmental organizations. Also Stalinism is very widespread among intelligentsia, university professors, for example.

Of course, there are different views; they are a minority opinion but still have some public tribune, though usually in some way limited or conditional. Russia isn't a true dictatorship yet, though it is swiftly moving in this direction.

I hope it answers your questions. If you have any other, they, I think, are better handled via PMs. These topics are very interesting for me but here it is definitely an off-topic.
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It might be off-topic, but it's fascinating to read, so thank you for that.
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Yeah, I came for the blood but stayed for unexpected history lesson. :cheers:
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Back on topic - here are some screenshots from this turn:

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Island of death - screenshot taken at the middle of me killing Joey's fleet (I did it in several instances, making breaks to do other stuff)

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Again, killing of Joey's fleet. Right to the east from his ships is his Heroic Epic city which will get razed.

(Btw, what's wrong with all these people who are giving combat promotions to battleships? Nav1 and, if possible, Barrage should be the standard, BS should be able to hunt down the enemy fleet and inflict collateral)

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Bye bye, HE city.

I thought I had a screenshot of my 108 units land stack but it looks like I don't.
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Joey played before me this turn, out of turn order. Does that mean that he accepted peace? Does that mean that he accepted peace?
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(May 27th, 2015, 02:13)Gavagai Wrote: Joey played before me this turn, out of turn order. Does that mean that he accepted peace? Does that mean that he accepted peace?
Yes.
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Well, let's summarize:

Day 1: Joey attacks and immediately offers peace with him paying 4000 gold on top.
Day 2: Joey's position becomes much worse, he wants peace with me paying 5000 on top.
Day 3: Nothing changes, Joey accepts white peace.

So... what does that tell us about his personality?

Anyway, it looks like the show will go on. I now have 10 turns of peace. After that Joey may attack me with a couple of Numidians or gift me Maracana. Nothing will really surprise me at this point.
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How will you win?
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(May 27th, 2015, 10:06)Ceiliazul Wrote: How will you win?

By space. Until now most of my cities were producing units; now I will be able to switch almost everything to research, that should increase my tech rate quite a bit. Also, as GA in no longer an option (I won't be able to bit Gawdzak to fusion), I can turn my saved merchant into some cash. May be I will get another merchant before the game ends - I'll need to check.
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