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In an ideal world, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Do you have everyone but Novice down as 'probably town'?
You didn't really respond to the question. Why did you say you were neutral on Brick, then after his torture say you thought he was probably town? That is a change in your position, and I don't see what prompted it.
I'm guessing three Gods, but hard to be sure. Maybe 2 + a traitor who explodes when he's tortured *glances nervously at Mattimeo*
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He's probably town because he was tortured and until the torturer says something it means the torturer doesn't consider him guilty
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With everyone else there isn't a problem of being "proven guilty" because there's no way we can prove anything.
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(August 6th, 2015, 04:19)AdrienIer Wrote: He's probably town because he was tortured and until the torturer says something it means the torturer doesn't consider him guilty
Well, look at the current lynch tally. Don't you think the torturer would say something if BRick isn't guilty? Remember, if the torturer thinks BRick is town he should also think that I'm scum.
I have to run.
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I don't like the smell of your logic my Endorian friend. If the torturer functions like a day cop, as you suggested earlier, then they will want to hide themselves as long as possible. Given that Brick is leading the vote tally, the torturer would have no reason to blow his cover by confirming a guilty result, if he'd got one.
You could argue that, whatever course of action is being chosen for Brick, we can assume the torturer is tacitly approving of it as long as they remain silent. Or they just want to wait till close to deadline to maximise information, which is very possible.
Also, what do you think of my logic about Novice earlier? If Brick is innocent as you suggest, then you are arguing that mistakenly torturing an innocent townie has given us a succesful scan on a God. That seems incredibly broken game design. Is that what you think has happened?
If Brick was innocent, I would be more inclined to think Novice innocent, not less.
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As an side, we really are acting like crazed religious fundamentalists. "If the Powers That Be don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong...then it must be right!"
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Outing yourself to save a one shot seer (I think ?) who already used his power ? Why would he do that ? The natural course is that if BRick is who he says he is and we lynch him, you die tomorrow. He possibly weighted the pros and cons and decided that it wasn't worth revealing his identity (and possibly be killed tonight) to get your kill a day sooner.
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(August 6th, 2015, 04:28)Gazglum Wrote: Also, what do you think of my logic about Novice earlier? If Brick is innocent as you suggest, then you are arguing that mistakenly torturing an innocent townie has given us a succesful scan on a God. That seems incredibly broken game design. Is that what you think has happened?
For 3 gods among 11, and if it's just BRick's secondary, revealed upon torture power, it's not as broken as it seems. We just got "lucky" with our target.
(August 6th, 2015, 04:30)Gazglum Wrote: As an side, we really are acting like crazed religious fundamentalists. "If the Powers That Be don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong...then it must be right!"
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(August 6th, 2015, 04:34)AdrienIer Wrote: For 3 gods among 11, and if it's just BRick's secondary, revealed upon torture power, it's not as broken as it seems. We just got "lucky" with our target.
Sure its possible. But if we're going to be playing the odds, regardless of any scum-tells, it's objectively more likely that Brick is scum (2/11 or 3/11) than he is the character who has a one-shot seer skill on torture (surely 1/11 at best).
Why are you assuming the latter instead of the former?
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(August 6th, 2015, 04:40)Gazglum Wrote: (August 6th, 2015, 04:34)AdrienIer Wrote: For 3 gods among 11, and if it's just BRick's secondary, revealed upon torture power, it's not as broken as it seems. We just got "lucky" with our target.
Sure its possible. But if we're going to be playing the odds, regardless of any scum-tells, it's objectively more likely that Brick is scum (2/11 or 3/11) than he is the character who has a one-shot seer skill on torture (surely 1/11 at best).
Why are you assuming the latter instead of the former?
Honestly if I was the torturer and I had found a god I'd have said it first thing after I was told. The torturer is less than a cop. If he misses strange things can happen. Sure he becomes a target the next night but we probably have some kind of doctor so it's not suicidal for him. If I had found a hero I'd have shut my mouth and try to remain in the shadow. Which is exactly what is happening.
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