RPB3 SPOILERS Bismarck of India (regoarrarr, darrelljs, sooooo, sunrise089)

[regoarrarr]

Hey that was only 7 posts in a row by me :-D

[sunrise089]

Sent the following:

Hi Ruff,

Thank you for the note about your not 2 hammer city tile. We had previously sacked our C&D Department but are pleased to report that the person in charge of sacking them has, in turn, been sacked.

And we didn't call you a liar, we specifically called you NOT a liar

Congrats on landing Buddhism - we hope that we can get some spread our way, either automatically or through a missionary. We think that it would be very trippin'! It's weird, even though as human players there is no real "We care for our brothers and sisters of the faith" bonus, often times it does seem to play out that way....

The first assignment of our new and improved C&D Department has been to check our EP spending, and we've determined that we will soon be able to see your demographics. We'd like to suggest we stop EP spending against one another as soon as we can both see each others' info. Does that sound ok?

We also find the idea of specializing around gold or beaker production to make sense, and would certainly be interested in working with you in such a manner. As you may know, regoarrarr and sunrise have such a relationship in RBP1.

One final fun question - have you had a forest grow within your cap's fat cross recently?

-DJCivilization

[regoarrarr]

Well one thing about losing our warrior is that it sure makes it easier to play our turns.

Not much to do. Having heard from darrell about moving to the PFH, I went ahead and did that. That way if it goes wrong we can blame our scapegoat.

As expected, France got a tech (Anim Husb) and Rome was the first to come up with Bronze Working. A warrior was also created this turn, which I am going to assign to Carthage.

We did get ruff's charts this turn- I'll anaylze those and report back.

[regoarrarr]

The max soldiers is only 12000, which means that the warrior that I guessed to be Rome's on T9 can't be (it would put them at 14K now), so I have re-assigned that guess to Portugal.

[darrelljs]

That was scary...I went to log in and our civ wasn't in the list . I think from looking at civstats that rego logged in but never logged out.

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

That was scary...I went to log in and our civ wasn't in the list . I think from looking at civstats that rego logged in but never logged out.

Darrell

Heh - yeah I'm still in. I'm looking at ruff's graphs and willb e out shortly.

[regoarrarr]

Okay so we have ruff's graphs.

First of all, let's look at our own production.

We started out on T0 with nothing, of course
T1 we had 4 food, 2 prod, 19 GNP, which we kept through T5.
On T6, we swapped to the plains hill, which took us to 2 food, 4 prod, 18 GNP, which we held till T15
T16 the mine completed and we swapped to the mine, which gave us 3 food, 4 prod an 18 GNP which is our current info.

Now keep in mind that the graphs are a turn behind actual results, and I believe that they are "frozen" at the beginning of the turn, so it will be a turn behind on things like us swapping to the PFH on our turn T6 and swapping to the mine on T16.

Okay, so Ruff matched us in food for the first few turns, but then when we went down to 2, he stayed at 4. Then it looks like at turn 8, he went up to 5 food, which he held for 2 turns, and then went up to 7 food.

For prod, he matched us but then when we went up to 4, he stayed at 2. He then spend 2 turns at 1 prod and is now back at 2.

GNP - he stayed with us at 19 and when we went down to 18 he stayed at 19. He went down to 18 for 2 turns. He went up to 19 for one turn and now looks to be up at 22 (which is tops).

Okay so what does that tell us about tile selection.

So it looks like he started worked a 2/1/1 tile. From darrell's chat log, we know he has a corn and a sheep, so perhaps he has a 2/1/1 sheep tile like we do. Did that for 8 turns, making +2fpt and +2hpt, and completing the warrior on T8. On T9, swapped to a 3/0/0 tile (corn?), growing to size 2 on T10. He's now working both the 3/0/0 and 2/1/1 tiles, so if he's not building a worker, he should grow to size 3 on T18 (next turn). He probably is building a worker though, which would complete on T22.

I could not figure out how his GNP was so high since he can't be researching anything with a double pre-req bonus but then I remembered he's the founder of Buddhism so he gets 5cpt from that, which means that he is working a 1 commerce tile in addition to his capital, and is researching a starting tech (no pre-req bonus).

So he would have been making 13bpt for 8 turns (104b) and then 12bpt for 2 turns (128b), then back to 13bpt for 2 turns (154b), completing Meditation on T12 with 10b overflow. Since then he's making 11bpt (no pre-req bonus). So now (T17), he should have 65 beakers towards his next tech.

[darrelljs]

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

Thanks for the pics darrell.

Dantski / Mukha and us were the last 2 civs to discover our starting techs, both Bronze Working.

Interestingly still only 3 civs with size 2 capitals as everyone goes for workers. We should have 2 workers by the time some civs get their first.

Hopefully that will go well for us!

[regoarrarr]

And that copper placement is.... unfortunate....

The ideal spot would seem to be 1N of the southern lake, grabbing the pig and copper, but that's a bit far. And I think we've been down the "aggressive 2nd city to claim copper" road before, don't you?

So, as darrell pointed out before, we are industrious w/ stone. Do we want to explore that any more?

Specifically, instead of chopping out Stonehenge with our 3-4 chops while we're waiting for agriculture, we could chop out a settler (maybe put 2 in the settler and 1 for Henge)?

Settle somewhere like SE of the stone. We can share the sheep with the capital, plus it has 3 flood plains (1 in 1st ring which is a 4/0/1 tile with a farm). Stone and a plains hill for some production.

If we go for Masonry (something for which we have both the pre-reqs) at some point, we could hook up the stone and not delay the Henge too terribly much.

Plus we open up the Great Wall and Pyramids.

I know that we talked earlier about not wanting to go too wonder crazy, and I definitely agree.

But we do need to re-consider our earlier wonder thoughts. TGLight and Colossus both seem to be not as useful on this map as they would be on say the PB1 map.

GW is cheap with stone (150 total hammers, but only 60 real hammers for us being Ind w/ stone). It's useful both a) for the barb prevention (this is emperor and barbs could get to be a real problem) and b) the Great Spy could be useful. If we settle him in the capital, we can use the EPs to get demogs on everyone (otherwise it will be awhile to get them on 16 people) and then use it later on to focus on our intended targets.

I don't know if I'm sold on it for sure, but I thought I'd throw it out there. We have till T21 to decide (3 more turns)