WW #41. New Horizons.

[Rowain]

Those 2 refers to Serdoa and Gazglum

[Lewwyn]

Adrien is still a potential suspect for me. His decision not to scan one of the lynch-voters was not thought through, and its convenient that he managed to use the most powerful ability in the game to get little useful information. I also agree with Lewwyn that Adrien's '10 bucks scum did it' was a little cute.

Yes I agree with this. But then you say this:

But on the other hand, in annoucning he had Scanned, Adrien opened himself up to being caught in 2 ways. Scan is a very powerful ability. We may have 2 copies of it, we won't have 3. And if 2 other plays also claim it, Adrien gets caught out. I guess its possible Jabbz could have given doctor/scanner to a scum just to throw us off, but I think this not super likely.

Adrien also volunteered his ability quickly, in a way that opened him up to being tracked and caught out if he's lying. So if he is scum he either used another ability on Serdoa or he took an unneeded risk. So Adrien is not my top suspect today either.

But Serdoa claimed first. Adrien could easily say with complete confidence that Rowain is not scum if he in fact is scum. He knows who is on his team. He could have done any sort of action and not the one he claimed as you say, but why is that not plausible? or even risky? Isn't claiming like that early a better way to try and gain cover. "Hey yeah I visited this person and he's not dead!"

Zak, on the other hand, stayed silent until all possible trackers but Rowain had spoken. Serdoa, Adrien, Lewwyn and me announced other events last night, and Bacchus and NOvice have previously roleclaimed and don't have tracking.

Someone blocked me, and I think Zak is the most likely candidate.

And if you're lying and you weren't blocked?


I'm not convinced by your explanation of why you felt the need to apologize to Rowain. That seems like an overreaction to me.

[Rowain]

Sadly a Serdoa + Glum-pair doesn't work with Lewwyns reveal.

Serdoa + Adrien does work.


So AdrienIer as the one who fits with Lewwyns scan, Lewwyns theory (glum+Adrien) and with Bacchus points about Serdoa.

[AdrienIer]

Rowain if you're not lying and you don't have a killing power the Auto-doc text only makes sense if scum have a strongman. Then scum-serdoa wouldn't have mentioned an extra killing power.

[Gazglum]

And Gazglum only brought it up again during the day while I was asleep. (Funny how he was basically so sure a sensor read would be 1 scum.)

I didn't say it had to be 1 scum, though it was likely. Just that tehre would be scum.

I explained this - if there were no scum on Brick, then the Earth Firsters would have killed one of the Brick voters because of the likelihood of all 4 of them being cleared. The fact they killed someone else, leaving the Brick voters intact, mean that they didn't want to narrow the field in the group that was likely to be checked by a sensor.

[Gazglum]

But Serdoa claimed first. Adrien could easily say with complete confidence that Rowain is not scum if he in fact is scum. He knows who is on his team. He could have done any sort of action and not the one he claimed as you say, but why is that not plausible? or even risky? Isn't claiming like that early a better way to try and gain cover. "Hey yeah I visited this person and he's not dead!"

The risk is in being tracked. We have tracker and watcher abilities. So if Adrien says he scanned Serdoa, he had to commit SOME action against Serdoa, or he takes a risk of being instantly caught, for little reward. If he uses another action and is lying about having doctor/cop, then he risks being caught by other doctor/cops roleclaiming.

Given Adrien was under a lot of pressure, I can see that risk might be worth taking, which is why I am still not sure on him.

And if you're lying and you weren't blocked?

Then I'm scum? As town, I have to go on what i have. I was blocked. Zak also claims to have been blocked. It's possible Goreripper did one of those, but if nobody else claims either action then either Zak or I am lying. So that makes for a pretty good place to investigate.

I'm not convinced by your explanation of why you felt the need to apologize to Rowain. That seems like an overreaction to me.

The other game I crusaded against Rowain until I got him mislynched. I felt bad about that, I don't want to do it again if I'm wrong.

[Gazglum]

Actually, it's possible that Goreripper blocked Zak/me, and a lying scum blocked the other one. But I don't think that is very likely.

[Rowain]

Then scum-serdoa wouldn't have mentioned an extra killing power.

Why not? He would have mentioned it exactly do cast suspicion elsewhere. Confusing town is an art Serdoa does very well.

Note that there is no mentioning of an extra killing power/vig-power in the list. The town-victory condition explicitly mentions only the elimination of Earth-firsters. Usually if a Serial Killer is involved it reads 'All threats are eliminated'.

[novice]

Rowain if you're not lying and you don't have a killing power the Auto-doc text only makes sense if scum have a strongman. Then scum-serdoa wouldn't have mentioned an extra killing power.

That last sentence bothers me. Or maybe it's the whole post. I don't recall you discussing this topic before but this post reads like you have, as if you've had some insight in the scum thread that seemed convenient to bring up now.

[AdrienIer]

I've felt that a strongman was more likely than a SK for a long time. Maybe that's why you get this feel.
It could be an interesting scum plot by Serdoa to cast suspicions on the 3rd party but I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now