RB Pitboss #1 SPOILER - Hatshepsut / India

[Cyneheard]

What do you think of Exploit's offer, from an in-game perspective? Do you want his cities at all? Rather DSP have them? Cut a deal with 3rd parties?

Personally, I'd play it out to the bitter end, but I can't blame him for surrendering with just a few gassed cities left.

[regoarrarr]

What do you think of Exploit's offer, from an in-game perspective? Do you want his cities at all? Rather DSP have them? Cut a deal with 3rd parties?

Personally, I'd play it out to the bitter end, but I can't blame him for surrendering with just a few gassed cities left.

Yeah.

He actually offered it to me in-game before I saw his post.

I plan on taking him up on it, adn then gifting out the cities to everyone else, as appropriate

[regoarrarr]

Okay email to shady, dsp, sunrise, lins, munro, and broker

Hi everyone,

So I was in game this evening and Exploit logged in and offered me all his cities. After thinking about it briefly, I decided to take him up on the deal. This was before I saw that he had made a post in the public player thread, which I assume that you have all seen by now.

Since I have no desire to replicate what happened the LAST time a dying civ gave all their cities to another civ (i.e. I get dogpiled), the only reason that I took the deal is just to clean up what we were all shooting for in the first place.

As I mentioned when we first started the anti-Exploit war, I have no territorial ambitions in the ex-Inca lands, save the island city near my lands. As you've seen, as sunrise, the Lins and I have been battling on our side of the world I have not taken any cities.

My plan is to gift his cities out to the folks who were fighting him. My only condition is that you (plural) have to take ALL his cities. I don't want to be stuck with some crappy size 4 city that is not near any of my other cities just because nobody else wants it :-)

I apologize that it wasn't possible to get with any of you guys to discuss things - he made it seem like it was something that had to be decided then and there (again, I hadn't seen his post by the time that I made my decision), and so I felt like the positives outweighed any negatives.

I'll let you guys make the final say on who gets what - here would be my first guess on things.

Daniel - SassyMcsaserson, Dont Shaft Rego and Exploit Demise (you can see I took the liberty of renaming some of his cities :-) )
Munro - Oompa Oompa II and Terrible Tuba
League of Lin - HH, GG, BB and Machu Pichu
Race on for Jumping Jupiter, which is still under Incan control.

I know that Munro didn't provide any troops but he did provide us valuable intel from the inside. Still, I'd be okay if you guys wanted to offer up an alternative. Similarly Brian - I couldn't tell where exactly your and Daniel's border was lining up so if you think you should get some of those that's fine with me, or maybe he gives you something like Border Town or Iron Fish to make up fo rit - I'll let you guys decide that. Also sunrise if you want any of those cities on your side let me know.

Again, I apologize that I didn't get a chance to consult anyone before just making this move. Hopefully we can manage to make it work out for everyone. I'd like to make the gifts next turn (T203) if possible. I can't do it this turn as I'm about to go to bed.

[regoarrarr]

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I am going to try and see if I can get away with keeping all the units. An extra 20 infantry will sure be nice!!!!! It's too bad those workers don't turn into fast workers when they get gifted like they do when I capture them, though I guess there's only 2 of them.

[regoarrarr]

Some email replies

Sunrise just to me

Regoarrarr,

Congrats on all of the free cities. Really congrats to Lin and DSP who get cities with all of their buildings intact, and congrats to you for free units. I feel a little shortchanged by Exploit, getting 2 cities w/o buildings in exchange for 9 cannon, 5 rifles, and a conquistador, so in exchange I've made a mean post in the public player thread.

Perhaps while flush with victory you would like consider a generous fast worker trade?

-sunrise

I replied back

Yeah - I'm happy to give you a few. We can talk about the details when you get online later today. And if you want some of those cities I'm happy to give them to you - if you think it makes sense.

[regoarrarr]

Lins just to me

So are you going to keep all the units, or will you be dishing some of those out as well? It's a pretty large deterent you'll have there if you keep them, but you may find that people are as threatened by the huge army you just acquired as they would have been if you'd decided to keep all the cities....

Just an observation.

Lins to everyone

I realise that we've done pretty well for ourselves, and I'm certainly willing to negotiate if anyone thinks that Lin has got too much out of this deal.

I would like to say that I hope we all agree that the remains of Inca needs to be destroyed so that those of us who have received cities don't continue to suffer "motherland" anger for the remainder of the game....

DSP to everyone

When cities change hands they disappear off the map for the rest of the world. Would you be willing to share your map with all of us so we can see where all these cities are? If not, screenshots of the area would be helpful.

[regoarrarr]

Reply just to the Lins

I don't know. I probably will end up keeping most of them but I could probably be persuaded into giving some up.

What I would most like is some way to fairly compensate folks like sunrise and shadyforce. People that have been fighting the fight but did not get a whole lot out of the war at all, much less this recent deal. As sunrise put it in am email to me, he got 2 (crappy) cities w/o buildings intact for 9 cannon, 5 rifles and 2 conquistadors. Not a great trade.

Would you be willing to give some of your other cities to Sunrise? Unfortunately, most of Exploit's cities don't really fit in with sunrise's empire, which is the reason that you have most of them. But he would probably be interested in Jute and Popcorn.

I know that 2 cities you've had for thousands of years is a lot to give up. But if you look at what you've gotten in this Exploit war:

* Cities of Evil Eye, Club Canadian, Alpha Arcturus, and potentially 4 more cities (BB, HH, GG, MP) with full buildings intact.
* Notre Dame, the Taoist Shrine
* 2 of the 3 only sources of Metal on the whole map.

I know that you contributed to this war quite a bit, but I wouldn't say that your contribution was any more or less than sunrise's or I. I think that we all contributed equally.

If you were to give those 2 cities to sunrise, that would make it 5 cities for you to 4 for sunrise, and I think it could certainly be argued that the cities you got have better terrain / infra, not to mention Notre Dame and the Taoist shrine.

Still none of the cities for me, but that's fine - I probably started with a higher base cities so that's okay. I do think it would be fair / nice if I could get permagifted either gold or silver.

Anyway that's my thoughts. Like I said in my email, my only conditions for the city gifts are that I get rid of all of them. So I won't make giving sunrise those 2 cities a condition, but I do feel like it's important to compensate him fairly and I hope that you guys can work something out.

[regoarrarr]

Email to everyone

I have offered my maps in-game to everyone (I think). If you want to trade maps, I am happy to do so.

[regoarrarr]

Email just to dsp

I wanted to drop you a note separately from everyone else. As I mentioned in my note to everyone, I have offered maps to everyone.

I figure that you are probably the civ most affected (besides Exploit!) by this whole thing. It was a bummer that I didn't really feel like I had time to discuss things with everyone, not to mention being late night US and middle of the night Europe.

So i wanted to check with you and make sure that you were okay with everything. Hopefully we can figure out a way to adequately compensate everyone who has been putting up a fight vs. Exploit. Specifically sunrise and shadyforce are the 2 civs that are worst placed to get some of these cities that I currently have. I have talked to the Lins a bit about giving some cities to Sunrise. But I'm not going to hold myself up as some sort of universal arbiter - like I said in my first post, my only conditions are going to be that I get rid of ALL of them so I'm not stuck with 1 or 2 crappy cities way away from the rest of my lands. It is my understanding that Brian has been providing you with some of the troops for the Exploit fight, so it is my assumption that the 2 of you have worked out some sort of equitable land arrangement, so hopefully that will all work out.

Also, I have been meaning to tell you for awhile now but just haven't gotten around to it that I ran out of people to spend EPs on, so I have just started putting them equally on everyone, so you may have already noticed that. It is not intended to be an aggressive move, but I wanted to let you know in case that you wanted to put some back on me. I think it's about 5-6 ept per person.

Hope to hear from you soon

[regoarrarr]

dsp to everyone

Thanks for the generous offer, Rego.

In my case however, the three cities you are offering me are all pretty sub-par. Because of this I would like the rights to take Jumping Jupiter for myself.

It also does seem like the Lins are getting quite a lot of nice land. I would propose that the city of Garden Genius go to Munro. Then I will give the city of Nice Ninjas to Munro also (which I took but is squished up against his culture), and I can get the cities of Oompa Oompa II and Terrible Tuba.

That way Munro and I will have a more sensible border between us, instead of having two of his cities separated from the rest of his empire.

Does this sound OK?