Rathauses do affect corp maint, correct.
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A lot of the big power from Corps in SP comes from getting the AI to trade you all of its spare resources. Corps can still be good on maps that are lush or metal rich but I don't know if they'd be worth making the whole strategy revolve around them.
Are you around DZ? Any new thoughts on a final order? Right now my thoughts are something like?
1. Peter 2. Darius 3. Fredrick 4. Asoka 5. Brennus 6. Joao 7. Monty I'm wondering if it's possible to game the system, notably where the best place yo put singletons is.
Hey, I am here, CH. Sorry, pretty non-stop weekend.
I am pretty cool with submitting this order, but think we should spend a bit more time on Peter v. Darius only because there is no doubt that each of these will be picked first by someone. So I guess this is where we run some sims to see which gives us the better start. I still think that FIN gives us a stronger foundation to build on given our map start, and starting with Forges/Lighthouses and cheaper builds, we can go right to Steam Power (since Steel and SciMethod are techs to grow into) and build Dikes right away. This would totally put our water tiles on autopilot and make up for the abundance of Plains tiles and poor starting ratio of Fast Workers to cities. Now, on Peter's side, India is the way to go if we want to up our land game. Workshops are actually pretty matured at this point so there is a solution for the Plains tiles if there is enough growth to sustain them. But on a smaller with with real players, I think that greenline is correct that a Corp gambit with PHI is lessened playing against humans, especially on a smaller map. I know you would really like to play PHI this game, so I'd still love to hear more of your thoughts on this. Also, I am not sure what you mean by your last sentence. 
Oh hey, it's Donovan Zoi! I just read the Apolyton Demogame report at Sullla's site -- a figure emerges out of the mists of history!
 Also, if I can interpret for your teammate: I think CH was wondering where the strategically correct place to put the leaders with a trait nobody else has (singetons) might be.
March 13th, 2016, 22:54
(This post was last modified: March 13th, 2016, 23:01 by Cheater Hater.)
If you two both want Darius first, I can submit that--it's not like I hate him, putting him second
 I feel like there's more to be gained in gaming the system with this unfamiliar (to non-FFH players) picking system. I feel like the problem is that what we've decided are the first two picks (Peter and Darius, in some order) are also traditionally powerful (since Darius and India are both power picks in ancient start games), even if a lot of the reasons we're picking them (Dikes/Exp and Phi's late game bonuses) are rooted in the Industrial start. As such, we're probably going to get into a coin flip situation with the one we put first (either one), and then someone will take the other one first as well*. If that happens, then we're going to get knocked down to our third pick (which I'm pretty solidly Fredrick, though DZ had Joao in the original list), which means we're also possibly going to get into a coin flip situation there (as someone who prioritized economic pairs probably prioritized multiple ones), and then get pushed farther down the list. I'm going to be honest: I'm going to be somewhat unhappy if we don't get one of my top three, as I feel they're a clear tier above the rest. As such, might it be worth it to, say, pick Fredrick even though we all think he's a little weaker than the competition, just because he's less likely to be first-picked (not to mention the synergies of PHI+Rathus+Corps is less obvious than "Darius/India are broken in normal games")? That's the kind of game theory I'm thinking of--maybe I'm just overthinking it?  *I mean, what are viable Level 0 first picks other than Peter and Darius? Joao's probably up there for someone, someone wants Japan and Germany, and others might prioritize the water synergies of Vikings or Carthage over Dutch for some reason. Edit: Of course the real solution is that someone should run some sandboxes with the main choices (Peter, Darius, Fredrick, maybe Joao, maybe Asoka) and see where we end up in 30-40 turns--anyone volunteering? 
I didn't have Fredrick ranked as highly as you so I would see less of a problem with that
(my ratings at this point are Darius > Peter > everyone that's not gandhi, boudica, genghis, hammurabi, lincoln or asoka > those guys)But I can definitely see the merit in going straight for third place instead of risking a bet on first. edit: As far as sandboxing goes, I did run a industrial game for fun with Victoria of the Dutch (random map). The biggest problem there was the settler costs were absolutely crippling. The big production cities would still take around seven turns or more to finish them even with the IMP bonuses.
Any more opinions? I want to get more thoughts on putting Fredrick first, but otherwise I'll go with my list (possibly with Peter and Darius swapped, since that was the consensus and I'm not picky on that).
March 16th, 2016, 01:36
(This post was last modified: March 16th, 2016, 01:37 by Donovan Zoi.)
 (March 13th, 2016, 13:46)picklepikkl Wrote: Oh hey, it's Donovan Zoi! I just read the Apolyton Demogame report at Sullla's site -- a figure emerges out of the mists of history! Hey pickle, thanks! Page 12 of Sullla's report is probably the closest thing I'll get to an Oscar in this game -- I still go back and read it occasionally. I actually waited a good 5 years to become a regular here just so PAL wouldn't continue to bitch about me. (March 15th, 2016, 18:40)Cheater Hater Wrote: Any more opinions? I want to get more thoughts on putting Fredrick first, but otherwise I'll go with my list (possibly with Peter and Darius swapped, since that was the consensus and I'm not picky on that). I still think we should go for broke with Darius/Peter/Frederick/Asoka/Brennus/Monty/Joao, as there is still a chance we could win a coin toss. I switched the last two, just because the top 6 would each yield an exploitable unique benefit. Feel free to switch it back. And even if we end up with Joao, we still get quicker growth with IMP/EXP. You get two good shots for a PHI leader with this lineup, which is cool too. I'd be different levels of happy with any of these picks, but ecstatic if we got Darius.
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