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I'm not familiar with this era, but doesn't State Property nullify Corp effects?
Bureau vs Nationhood: Bureau is actually a little more expensive than Nationhood right now, but the benefit is that it funnels commerce through Oxford - when we're researching- if we're not researching then it's probably worse for us. Regardless whether we Draft, we probably want to switch next turn for economic & happiness reasons. Pushing Wealth builds seems like a good idea to get out of Bureau faster.
May 28th, 2016, 08:39
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(May 28th, 2016, 08:37)Dreylin Wrote: I'm not familiar with this era, but doesn't State Property nullify Corp effects?
Bureau vs Nationhood: Bureau is actually a little more expensive than Nationhood right now, but the benefit is that it funnels commerce through Oxford - when we're researching- if we're not researching then it's probably worse for us. Regardless whether we Draft, we probably want to switch next turn for economic & happiness reasons. Pushing Wealth builds seems like a good idea to get out of Bureau faster.
Yes, State Property nullifies Corp effects. As far as I remember, you can switch out of it it get the benefit again, but while you have it, you won't gain any of the benefits (production, food, etc). The advantage is that you don't have to pay for the costs if you're in the civic.
May 28th, 2016, 09:08
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(May 28th, 2016, 08:39)DMOC Wrote: (May 28th, 2016, 08:37)Dreylin Wrote: I'm not familiar with this era, but doesn't State Property nullify Corp effects?
Bureau vs Nationhood: Bureau is actually a little more expensive than Nationhood right now, but the benefit is that it funnels commerce through Oxford - when we're researching- if we're not researching then it's probably worse for us. Regardless whether we Draft, we probably want to switch next turn for economic & happiness reasons. Pushing Wealth builds seems like a good idea to get out of Bureau faster.
Yes, State Property nullifies Corp effects. As far as I remember, you can switch out of it it get the benefit again, but while you have it, you won't gain any of the benefits (production, food, etc). The advantage is that you don't have to pay for the costs if you're in the civic. Pindicator is not is State property, he doesnt even have Scientific method yet. We can gain from selling him extra iron, cooper or whatever we can to let him gain more hammers from his corp.
(May 28th, 2016, 08:37)Dreylin Wrote: Bureau vs Nationhood: Bureau is actually a little more expensive than Nationhood right now, but the benefit is that it funnels commerce through Oxford - when we're researching- if we're not researching then it's probably worse for us. Regardless whether we Draft, we probably want to switch next turn for economic & happiness reasons. Pushing Wealth builds seems like a good idea to get out of Bureau faster.
If we get ~650 science points on 100% with bureau and I believe we will still gain 550+ on Nationhood. Civic upkeep will save us about 35-40 gpt.
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Ah, I'd misunderstood your meaning; yeah selling him resources for his Corp is a good plan. Any suggestions what a good first offer might be - 5gpt for an Iron? And see where it goes - after all it won't be worth much until he's had a chance to spread it. Oh yeah, first we start with the Sugar. 
I can check the Bureau / Nationhood numbers this turn, but it sounds like Bureau is better unless we need the Happiness or Drafts - and I agree that Drafting right now is probably not worthwhile.
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We have 3 extra irons, 2 coopers, 1 gold and 1 silver (+1 we got from DZ) to trade him. If we trade him everything it will give him +8 base hammers from corp. 5gpt for iron seems to be fine to start from.
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Did REM get Fascism? How else could he get GG in the interturn?
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Ah good spot, I assumed that was from last turn fighting with BGN, but yeah it was turn roll. Didn't check the techs.
Also looks like BGN burned the conflicting REM city this turn, but no sign of REM yet.
If Turn rolls after you are asleep and I have doubts, I'll ask for a pause to think consult rather than feeling I have to play.
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Yeap I am going to sleep now. REM often plays late in my time.
Btw at T312 REM got no Assembly line, and it seems that he has researched 2 techs within last 2 turns.
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I guess I'll check that tonight too. Maybe he had a spare Great? to accelerate Fascism.
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Probably GM could go there, he had 1 or even 2. This can explain GG.
DZ could switch to nationhood, this is the only explanation for no whips. Fortunately for us his cities have low potential because of no state property. He cant whip and draft effectively though he can fix his immediate lack of forces.
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