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zitro1987 · May 30th, 2016, 18:24

Battlemage - does it really refill only 1mp per experience level? A mage doing melee is generally a bad idea, gaining 4-5mp per melee hit is very underwhelming compared to other mage bonuses. It should be at least 2 or even 3mp per experience level to make an impact (comapred to strong mage abilities)

Seravy · May 31st, 2016, 14:26

(May 30th, 2016, 18:24)zitro1987 Wrote: Battlemage - does it really refill only 1mp per experience level? A mage doing melee is generally a bad idea, gaining 4-5mp per melee hit is very underwhelming compared to other mage bonuses. It should be at least 2 or even 3mp per experience level to make an impact (comapred to strong mage abilities)

Yes only one. The hero can attack twice each turn and will most likely get two counterattacks against whichever enemy it was fighting as well when they attack so the ability triggers 4 times a turn (or more if there are multiple enemies attacking, less if the enemy dies too fast). So at level 5 that's 20 mana each turn you spend fighting a single enemy unit. 30 if you fight two of them, 40 if three and so on.
Also, the hero can curse the enemy, then fight it so there is no/lower risk to the hero and the ability pays for the curse fully or partially. (Shatter/Black Sleep/Mind Storm are probably the best)
Furthermore, if the hero has low enough melee attack to not kill the enemy unit, and high enough defense to not take damage, it can keep attacking it, for a theoretical maximum of 20 turns*2 attacks = 40*5=200 mana recovered at level 5 (the remaining 5 turns of the battle is assumed to be used to spend the mana on spells), twice that much if the enemy also attacks the hero during their turn.
Additionally there is a super version which is 50% stronger.

zitro1987 · May 31st, 2016, 16:42

(May 31st, 2016, 14:26)Seravy Wrote: Yes only one. The hero can attack twice each turn and will most likely get two counterattacks against whichever enemy it was fighting as well when they attack so the ability triggers 4 times a turn (or more if there are multiple enemies attacking, less if the enemy dies too fast). So at level 5 that's 20 mana each turn you spend fighting a single enemy unit. 30 if you fight two of them, 40 if three and so on.
Also, the hero can curse the enemy, then fight it so there is no/lower risk to the hero and the ability pays for the curse fully or partially. (Shatter/Black Sleep/Mind Storm are probably the best)
Furthermore, if the hero has low enough melee attack to not kill the enemy unit, and high enough defense to not take damage, it can keep attacking it, for a theoretical maximum of 20 turns*2 attacks = 40*5=200 mana recovered at level 5 (the remaining 5 turns of the battle is assumed to be used to spend the mana on spells), twice that much if the enemy also attacks the hero during their turn.
Additionally there is a super version which is 50% stronger.

Well, when you put it that way it makes more sense for melee-oriented wizards. Does it only show up for the warrior mage and warrax? or does it also show up for warriors with 'caster' (still good) or vulnerable low-melee wizards like zaldron (not good)?

Seravy · June 1st, 2016, 06:17

(May 31st, 2016, 16:42)zitro1987 Wrote:
(May 31st, 2016, 14:26)Seravy Wrote: Yes only one. The hero can attack twice each turn and will most likely get two counterattacks against whichever enemy it was fighting as well when they attack so the ability triggers 4 times a turn (or more if there are multiple enemies attacking, less if the enemy dies too fast). So at level 5 that's 20 mana each turn you spend fighting a single enemy unit. 30 if you fight two of them, 40 if three and so on.
Also, the hero can curse the enemy, then fight it so there is no/lower risk to the hero and the ability pays for the curse fully or partially. (Shatter/Black Sleep/Mind Storm are probably the best)
Furthermore, if the hero has low enough melee attack to not kill the enemy unit, and high enough defense to not take damage, it can keep attacking it, for a theoretical maximum of 20 turns*2 attacks = 40*5=200 mana recovered at level 5 (the remaining 5 turns of the battle is assumed to be used to spend the mana on spells), twice that much if the enemy also attacks the hero during their turn.
Additionally there is a super version which is 50% stronger.

Well, when you put it that way it makes more sense for melee-oriented wizards. Does it only show up for the warrior mage and warrax? or does it also show up for warriors with 'caster' (still good) or vulnerable low-melee wizards like zaldron (not good)?

It shows up on heroes marked "Warrior Mage" or "Any" in the first post.
In order for an ability to show up, the hero has to have all the traits associated with the ability out of "Mage", "Warrior" and "Leader".

namad · June 7th, 2016, 17:34

with all these additional abilities I think you might need to either add a whole bunch more heroes to the game or prune the ability list somewhat, that is if you want people to get to experience a wider range of abilities in their games?

Seravy · June 8th, 2016, 04:34

(June 7th, 2016, 17:34)namad Wrote: with all these additional abilities I think you might need to either add a whole bunch more heroes to the game or prune the ability list somewhat, that is if you want people to get to experience a wider range of abilities in their games?

Having every ability in every game is not a design goal, I want to keep games interesting by having different abilities show up in each game. Most abilities are guaranteed to appear on at least one hero though so if it's needed, it's available through getting rid of all other heroes until that one is summoned.

namad · June 11th, 2016, 05:35

Maybe it'd be fun to give Deth_Stryke_the_Swordsman Battlemage?
He could lose a random ability? or armsmaster or agility or something?
Seems like it might fit his theme.

If not him then maybe another warrior mage?

Seravy · June 11th, 2016, 06:13

(June 11th, 2016, 05:35)namad Wrote: Maybe it'd be fun to give Deth_Stryke_the_Swordsman Battlemage?
He could lose a random ability? or armsmaster or agility or something?
Seems like it might fit his theme.

Replacing a random ability maybe. Good idea, I'll consider it when I work on heroes next time.

namad

Do two heroes with divine barrier stack cumulatively? how about guiding beacon? I know holy bonus doesn't stack, and it says so. I know armsmaster doesn't stack and it says so. These don't say so. Does that mean they stack?

EDIT:
While I'm in this thread, what's the meta for rejecting heroes you don't like early game in the hopes you'll increase your odds of getting a better one? I'm such a noob I just realized today that having fewer heroes vastly increases your odds to get hero offers in the future

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