[Lurkers] WW #43 - The Great Wheel

[Rowain]

For this to be balanced scum needs to have powerful roles to compete with cop and hider, both roles that can deliver cleared villagers and some scum.

Yes but thinking about that would have shown holes in the plan.

They hoped it would not matter. Best shown here

I think Mafia have power roles, I just think they got unlucky so that those roles have not proved useful.

[Jabbz]

And now things get interesting.

[sunrise089]

Ouch for town. Two mafia and a SK left? Novice SK, DP + Lewwyn mafia?

Also if I was playing I'd have flagged DP's attack post on Meiz. It read to me like it had input from a teammate.

[Gazglum]

That was, by far, the worst town game I have ever played.

I am so sorry.

[sunrise089]

Also, are there going to be like 4 posts per day now?

Edit: @Gaz - I thought early and late you did a great job appearing town. In terms of how well you hunted scum, it's hard to judge, but fwiw you certainly weren't substantially worse than your teammates.

@Jabbz - this may not be a great town game, but it's such a great read. The lack of massive quote mining is so much easier to follow, plus the small size and role discussion makes it probably my favorite ww game to lurk we've run.

[Jabbz]

There are multiple ways this game day could not be over yet.

[Meiz]

That was, by far, the worst town game I have ever played.

I am so sorry.

[Psillycyber]

That was, by far, the worst town game I have ever played.

I am so sorry.

There there.

Soo...what is there left to say for the remaining players? Basically, scum just need to figure out which is the SK and get their votes on him ASAP. Basically a 50/50 shot in the dark unless they can clue it together. What is there for the remaining townie and SK to say? If I were one of them, I would just get into the thread and put my vote on someone ASAP and see if the other non-scum player would do likewise to get a pair of votes on a scum before the scum can react. Because once scum put down their votes, assuming they don't change them, then that'll be the lynch, and it will only matter for them whether they've guessed correctly.

Edit: I re-did the math and figured out that there indeed is a way for town to still win: It depends on if Fenn is really a vigilante and is the remaining townie, so that town has a vig power. Let's think: if they could lynch 1 scum today (which would require the non-scum getting their votes coordinated ASAP), and then overnight if the remaining scumbuddy inadvertently picked the SK to kill and it turns out it's the "immune to mafia SK" while the SK kills the mafia and Fenn vigs the SK, Fenn could win. So, not only do the scum need to figure out who the SK is, but the SK also needs to snuff out Fenn (ether today in the lynch or tomorrow night) IF the SK really believes that Fenn is a town vigilante.

[Psillycyber]

Edit: Actually, scratch what I wrote below and see the edit above. It doesn't necessarily have to come down to a 1 v 1 situation. And even if it did, I just realized that there is probably a rule where, if it is town vs. scum, scum automatically wins (even if town could theoretically get in a mutual kill the next night via a vigilante power). Not sure about the rules for town vs. SK though...

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[strikethrough]Actually, if it comes down to 1 v 1, is that a special case where the lynch is considered "stalemated" regardless of who gets the vote off first, and the consequences are left up to the night actions? Because, unless that's the case, I don't see how an SK could ever win aside from being quickest on the draw in voting the other person after tomorrow night.

The funny thing is, if it ended up being Fenn-as-town-vig vs. anyone else 1 v 1, even if the lynch was disregarded as "stalemated," then even the night actions would end in a mutual kill because Fenn could vig his opponent (unless there is some special rule about the order of different night action shots).[/strikethrough]

[Gazglum]

I agree with every call Fenn made, from vigging Adrien to vigging Meiz, and following me on Rowain. And it has all gone wrong. Poor Fenn.