RBPB3 - Gandhi of the Egyptians

[Krill]

Found Ottomans capital, but no time for a greeting email. Will try to chat this evening. Now to head NE with Gaskin.

[Krill]

Messages to and from india:

Hi guys,

just a heads up, but we both agreed to level out espionage at 43 ep, but you just exceeded that limit. Would you mind moving you espionage onto some other team please? I have already set mine up so that I'll regain graphs next turn.

Krill

PS. Found Ottomans this turn, their capital is 10SE 3E of you capital (maybe give or take a tile, I'm not fully awake yet!)

Yes sorry about that. I noticed that last night and have already adjusted it. We are at 48 against you and will stay there.

[Krill]

Message from Ottomans. Will reply later with thoughts and reply.

Greetings Krill (or is Lord Vetinari appropriate?)

We have noticed a wood1 Corporal Gaskin on our borders. We welcome him
to the lands of Greater Hyboria. Did you defeat any injured
lions/bears nearby?

We have heard that we are in a tech alliance with you and you are the
current primus inter pares. Since the alliance was organized without
us included, could you clarify what the conditions of the alliance are
to us and who else is involved?

We are currently saving gold for our run to math, after you advised us
through DIM to turn off writing. Could you confirm that you are going
to give us writing and do you know what everyone is researching?

Regarding meeting India, our turnplayer didn't see the instructions
that you gave us, and has moved our chariot SE/SW. We will follow the
directions as best we can but might be 1 turn late.

We are sorry about all of these questions upon contact, but given the
situation, we hope you understand. We look forward to a long and
fruitful relationship with the Egyptian People.

Enough Talking!
WarriorKnight of A4

P.S. Enough Talking is our standard sign off message. See the attached picture

[Krill]

Reply to Ottomans. Note the mention of Hinduism...let's see where that goes...I also said that HRE are researching HBR, and tbh if they don't I'll be slightly pissed with them, not that I'll tell them.

Greetings to the Empire of Conan

I have slain many lions to reach your lands, precisely two since I have left the lands belonging to the peoples known to others as the Indians, one of them less than half as strong as a truly health lion.

I am happy to clarify the basic rules of the Alliance as I see them: once Alphabet is known to myself, I will trade it to you to trade pottery, and other ancient era techs that you have, to other civs on a list I shall send to you. They shall trade back any ancient era techs that you are lacking. Not all civs will receive Alphabet once it is researched, only those that need to trade techs within the group shall receive it. The rest will receive it once their techs are researched. I've been bitten enough times by RBers who backstab on tech trades.

This obviously precludes any warfare between member nations of the Alliance until this trade is completed, so I fully expect each member nation to be friendly and not aggressive (including aggressive settling and growth) while in the Alliance.

The other teams that are involved as of turn 50 are as follows:

1. Aztecs - Archery, Meditation
2. Eygpt - Polytheism, Priesthood, Writing, Alphabet.
3. India - Masonry
4. Holy Roman Empire - HBR
5. Ottomans - Pottery, Maths
6. Portugal - Sailing

It is hoped that Carthage and Rome will enter the Alliance once full contact has been made, and exploration to this end is being pursued vigorously. Only time remains until contact is made.

I can confirm that I will gift you writing and Alphabet, provided that you confirm that you will gift Maths to me immediately upon the completion of research, and that you will research it at 100% science rate once Writing is gifted to you. The second requirement, which I'm not sure if it has been passed on, is that you spread Hinduism to your cities (I shall gift you a missionary). This is not a requirement to accept Hinduism as the state religion, or to stop you from founding any Holy Cities and shrining them for gold. The missionary should be delivered by turn 90 at the latest.

Here is a new set of instructions for the Chariot of the Ottoman people: SW NW, SW NW (17, 17 for the next 2 turns). After this you can head straight NW to meet Portugal. You will still be in time to meet India.

These questions are more than welcome. As the days move on, and contacts grow, I hope that to set up a large group chat, to help the alliance function somewhat more smoothly than it currently is...

I look forward to working with the Ottomans for a long time. Hopefully both of us can gain from the relationship.

Krill

[Krill]

OK, Someone explain thiese 4 pictures to the lurkers. It makes for rather interesting thoughts. I shouldn;t really be that high...







And here are teh over view shots:

[Krill]

Short chat with Ottomans. Just defusing the Hinduism gambit...

(10:54:28 PM) Krill: Yo dude
(10:54:38 PM) Ottomans: hi there
(10:54:43 PM) Krill: How are you, and greetings from a distant lands
(10:55:35 PM) Ottomans: fine
(10:55:45 PM) Ottomans: dunno what happened there
(10:57:20 PM) Ottomans: anyway, greetings from a distant land to you too
(10:57:33 PM) Krill: Thank you
(10:58:15 PM) Krill: I take it that you are going to discuss my email to you, and then reply back? It wouldn't be fair to you to discuss anything without the rest of your team commenting on it.
(10:58:53 PM) Ottomans: yep
(11:00:37 PM) Ottomans: sorry, conection issues
(11:00:41 PM) Krill: np
(11:01:40 PM) Ottomans: one queston i have is, are the beaker differences from the techs yo listed being overlooked?
(11:01:53 PM) Krill: For ancient era techs, yeah
(11:02:08 PM) Krill: There really isn;t a way to get it done otherwise.
(11:02:14 PM) Ottomans: true
(11:02:48 PM) Ottomans: we weren't informed about speading hinduism around our lands
(11:03:49 PM) Ottomans: how fast do we have to spread hindu
(11:04:14 PM) Krill: Oh, not really fast
(11:04:18 PM) Krill: not fast at all
(11:04:30 PM) Ottomans: just want theshrine income someday?
(11:04:33 PM) Krill: Not like I'm expecting you to drop everyhting else and spread it
(11:04:38 PM) Krill: Basically, yeah
(11:04:48 PM) Ottomans: well, we weren't
(11:04:57 PM) Ottomans: but glad that's cleared up
(11:05:50 PM) Krill: Cool

[Krill]

And the remainder:

(11:20:32 PM) Ottomans: is anyone going for IW in the ancient tech swap? It seems cheap enough since we are handing around apha and math
(11:20:45 PM) Krill: Hopefully Rome
(11:21:00 PM) Ottomans: true
(11:21:18 PM) Ottomans: what could cartae research?
(11:21:21 PM) Ottomans: carthage
(11:21:37 PM) Krill: Monarchy is one possibility.
(11:21:55 PM) Krill: That can wait for Alphabet to land though so they can be gifted preisthood
(11:22:30 PM) Krill: TBH, the techs after Alphabet should be assigned once Alphabet is in, so we know how long eacg civ can run at 100%, and how fast they can research
(11:22:48 PM) Ottomans: fair enough
(11:22:51 PM) Krill: That way we can assign techs in a manner that doesn;t leave important techs unresearched for too long
(11:25:36 PM) Ottomans: do you know where rome is?
(11:25:43 PM) Krill: Yes
(11:25:59 PM) Krill: The easiest way for you to contact them is head up to Portugal
(11:26:24 PM) Krill: Rome have a warrior heading to India. By the time it reaches India, you should be near Portugal, and then India can help the two of you meet
(11:26:51 PM) Krill: if somehow that warrior dies, then you can skirt north of Portugal and then head west ish to meet Rome
(11:27:01 PM) Krill: Or you could head NE of your capital with a second chariot
(11:27:07 PM) Ottomans: ok, thanks
(11:27:18 PM) Ottomans: 2nd chariot has to meet aztec
(11:27:42 PM) Krill: You know where teh Aztecs are?
(11:28:00 PM) Ottomans: I think they are N of us
(11:28:09 PM) Krill: Seems about right.
(11:28:22 PM) Krill: I'm planning on meeting an Aztec warrior in a few more turns
(11:28:38 PM) Krill: Aztecs will probably find out where you are in half a dozen turns with a warrior
(11:29:06 PM) Ottomans: good

[Krill]

Chat with Ruff via Darrell. We meet on t53. Blue is Aztec, Red is Egyptian. Dots are current warrior positions.

(12:16:35 AM) Darrell: Ruff: hey darrell - can you pls let Krill know that my warrior is at 5S, 12E
(12:18:00 AM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(12:18:52 AM) de krill of Fronce: mine is at 9S 11E
(12:20:32 AM) de krill of Fronce: If Ruff wants to move NE to the hill next turn, he can then head 2SE and we should be able to meet
(12:22:52 AM) Darrell: passed along
(12:22:58 AM) de krill of Fronce: Thanks mate
(12:23:03 AM) Darrell: np
(12:23:07 AM) Darrell: we met rome
(12:23:29 AM) Darrell: Ruff: I have a 0.3 bear next to my warrior ... plan to stay to forest and move directly S
(12:24:36 AM) de krill of Fronce: ok then
(12:24:46 AM) de krill of Fronce: if he can move SE after moving S, we should meet
(12:25:57 AM) Darrell: he says ok
(12:26:01 AM) Darrell: I got to run for a bit
(12:26:10 AM) de krill of Fronce: Cool, cya mate
(12:26:15 AM) de krill of Fronce: have a good evening

[Krill]

Message from Ottomans. I seem to have gotten the agreement with Hinduism

Hi Krill

So you have defeated a lion with less than half health?
Congratulations, you have just avenged the death of our warrior Red
Sonja. Although we would prefer if we avenged her death, we are still
grateful that you have slained it for us.

Thank you for laying out the basic rules of the alliance. We will
happily trade you math as soon as we can in return for writing and
alpha. We were not aware of the other condition but we will spread
Hinduism to our cities sometime in the future.

We are currently friendly with all of the nations we have met in the
alliance so far and do not have any war plans with anyone involved. So
no need to worry about anything there from us.

We will follow the instructions that you have given us to meet India
and Portugal. We are currently a while from contacting Rome, however
we can hopefully organize a meeting between us soon.

We haven't yet told Carthage about the alliance, although we have
invited them to a chat to discuss it. We are currently their only
contact so it seems likely that they will join.

Enough Talking!
WarriorKnight of A4

[Krill]

Part of me wishes that I wasn't building the Oracle. The third team to settle a third city is Portugal. I'm not likely to settle a third city for another 20 turns, 15 turns if I screw myself on the worker numbers.

On top of this, I am trying to get Mono, but then I'm also trying to get out a Great Prophet by t78 at the latest to Screw over the Indians if they decide to not give me their GP, so they can't get a shrine or Holy City, leaving them with the options of Golden age (OK by me) or selling it (not OK unless I get it).

FWIW, I figure I can get a third city and a fourth settler by t75, along with 5 workers, Mono and Theo, but then I start running into a bit of a roadblock with CoL. I think I'm going to have to push out the second GP from AM, and forget the shrine early on. I'm also going to risk the wrath of the other teams by withholding Polytheism from everyone. The GS for GP would likely be from my third Great Person, but I can use Caste to shove that out...somewhere. Deal with that later on, but I think I have India over a barrel. I'll bring the conversation up aroung t57, see what they say, but I'm not averse to bumping them out of hte Alliance on it, at least at first glance.

Biggest issue is that I need to find decent city sites for city 3, 4 and 5. I'm thinking the corn at the old Korean Capital might be city 5...