Starting production bonus

[Domon]

-To ensure your tiny new hamlets don't immediately benefit from the full 75% as soon as you build them.

is there really such a need? the tiny hamlet is not going to produce much gold in the first place, so increasing it by 75% iìdhouldn't be the end of the world.

[Catwalk]

Keep in mind that nomads are going to get a massive gold increase if you remove the population requirement. I rather like the restriction, as it gives me a sense of accomplishment to earn that bonus.

[Domon]

fine with that. i do find the nomads gold bonus underwelming, though the race has other significant strenghts and is ok even now for me.

[Seravy]

Well, nomads can be easily special-cased to add 3*pop instead of 50% and then they function normally.
Getting an immediate +75% on that gold or gems on the pop 1 hamlet though...can be nasty especially for dwarves... except, they don't have the growth to have the 75% in the first place, so idk.
If you already have a large empire of 100+ people, is it that bad to be able to get an extra 75% on a tiny hamlet?
...albeit, putting that hamlet next to the big enemy empire while yours is weak can be a big deal. Risky though...

[Catwalk]

I would absolutely hate to specialcase races. Is there a problem with leaving it in place, bumping it to x5 and capping it at 75%?

Domon, +50% gold right away would be a massive bonus. I agree it's underwhelming at present, which is why I'd like to bump the restriction to x5.

[Seravy]

I would absolutely hate to specialcase races. Is there a problem with leaving it in place, bumping it to x5 and capping it at 75%?

No, there isn't. Unless there are objections, we can try that for the next version.

I don't think having nomads with "Nomads have an extra 3% trade gold bonus per unit of population" instead of "Nomads have an extra 50% trade gold bonus" would be intrusive at all - in fact it would describe the ability much better than stating they get 50% which then gets capped to 12% anyway.

[Arnuz]

This got missed in the flow:

...buffing coasts doesn't seem to be against them though: a coast already produces something, and it isn't a normal terrain - can't be buffed, changed, improved - but rather simply is the transition to ocean. 

Furthermore, improving coasts makes islands somewhat better (read: not so bad as now) while keeping large continents almost the same, which I'd find to be a good change.

Any thoughts?

[Catwalk]

Yeah, I'm still in favour of coasts giving 1 food.

[Nelphine]

If you give them food, how do you keep units off the north pole? (Which is also why tundra doesn't give food)

[Seravy]

I'm still against improving water tiles. Ocean or Shore makes no difference.