Yes, I saw it.
"There is no wealth like knowledge. No poverty like ignorance."
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RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Speaker and Sullla
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So - Speaker saw what athlete posted accidentally in the Email thread earlier today. (I was teaching at the time, had no idea what was going on until it was over. Good thing, because it avoids any possible conflict between my role in this game and role as a moderator on these forums.) Naturally we can and will make use of this information, which had some very interesting tidbits:
athlete Wrote:Well, so here I am with an update. Warning this is just a wall of text. Well, well, well. I definitely enjoy that first paragraph, cataloging the litany of mistakes made by the Ottomans over the past dozen turns. Indeed, it wasn't exactly the greatest series of events from Kathlete's perspective. And the second paragraph gives us insight into what they are thinking with regards to our team, neat. But it's that third paragraph that of course has the most useful stuff. Seems like slaze is trying to maneuver on both sides of the current alliance structure, eh? I see three different possibilities here: - slaze is playing us, and actually working with Kathlete. - slaze is playing Kathlete, and actually working with us. - slaze is playing both sides against each other, and will do whatever favors him the most. #3 seems like the real story to me. Can't really blame him too much for it either, although it's definitely irritating to us after the emails asking for help he sent our way. Even if slaze would turn on us, he couldn't do too much - at least not immediately. Given enough time, it could be a problem. In the meantime, Speaker had the clever idea to send out a group email to our alliance with a cut-and-paste of the accidental message: Quote:Dear plako and Broker of Korea, Dantski of Romali, and slaze of IKZ, It will be "interesting" to see how slaze responds to that. He'll probably want to strangle Kathlete even more!  There's very little we can do on the current turn until the 12-hour window rolls through, so we'll just have to wait until tomorrow to play the turn for real. Speaker thought about going ahead and moving regardless (just ignoring the clearly-finished Jowy) but we decided that would be more trouble than it was worth. No desire to create any more e-drama or controversy. PS I'm just going to try and head off any moralizing/finger shaking before it gets started. Are we bad people for taking advantage of Kathlete's accidental posting? I'm sure at least one person will make that argument. Obviously we disagree: you don't cheat or do anything against the rules when competing, but if someone else screws up and lets something slip, of course you make use of it! Part of playing the game, just like sending an email to the wrong address or typing a message to "All" instead of "Allies" in-game. Besides, it's pretty much impossible to pretend you haven't seen something once you have... not sure how we could be expected to do that. This just goes to show why I always double-check to make sure I'm in the right thread before posting! ![[Image: biggrin.gif]](http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Smilies/biggrin.gif)
I find it's a lot harder to "unlearn" something or act like you didn't know it. Just a lot of second guessing. It's going to skew your actions one way or the other, or other people will at least have the perception. Might as well just roll with it and be open about it.
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Perhaps you could spin the conversation with Dracula into a taunting message at some point? I just wanted to see that.
Civilization IV sure runs like a dream on my new computer.
Sulla Wrote:PS I'm just going to try and head off any moralizing/finger shaking before it gets started. Are we bad people for taking advantage of Kathlete's accidental posting? I'm sure at least one person will make that argument. Obviously we disagree: you don't cheat or do anything against the rules when competing, but if someone else screws up and lets something slip, of course you make use of it! Part of playing the game, just like sending an email to the wrong address or typing a message to "All" instead of "Allies" in-game. Besides, it's pretty much impossible to pretend you haven't seen something once you have... not sure how we could be expected to do that. Athlete made a mistake and you picked up on it. I don't hink it is that difficult to post in the correct forum? I don't see why you shouldn't use this information. What are you going to do otherwise? There isn't an alternative!
His email in white, my response in red.
Slaze Wrote:The Zimmerman note didn't make it either. You didn't tell me about the NAP. We mentioned T170 several times. I'm not sure if we ever explicitly said we had a NAP with Kathlete until then?It was turn 163 or so, and your telling me to put on the brakes. I get only about a half day, but I get this in my head rolling, and I'm thinking up some ideas. Although later that day I finally became aware of your NAP, and now I gotta wait around 7 turns, in this wrecked economy? Is it our fault he planted 13 cities with no units and then had to slave himself into oblivion to protect them? He told us he was in EXPANSION MODE While india's over there, putting in seven more turns on me? I knew then that was always gonna be something. If it was misinformation or tying yourself up in these arrangements Tying ourselves up? We gave ourselves a 10-turn window to attack Jowy without Kathlete's interference. Did we know Greece would fold in 3 turns? We signed this NAP a month ago, the *only* agreement we have going, and must I remind IKZ that they were the ones who signed an original NAP with KAthlete that included a ridiculous 25 turn cooldown period? Talk about tying themselves up., I knew you were more into your own interests than mine (understandible but not my favorite arrangment). i thought you'd keep going with athlete, I thought that was the whole purpose of the thing. Jowy's land makes you a runaway if your going to stop and reconsolidate. Well, we did earn the land. It's not like we got it free. We were strong enough to take it. We shouldn't feel bad about that. No way I can compete with that, your getting like 20-25 modern age turns ahead of me with how we add up now. I needed you to fight athlete, and you failed me. He needed us to fight Athlete so we could help him catch up? That makes no sense. Why is that our responsibility? You lead me to believe things would be otherwise from a jowy-snatching war. So it's my responsibility to keep you from being a run-away civ. I could keep going but I best wanna sum it up like this: It's like oyzar said: I play to win. You made that very clear that you didn't give a damn about anything but yourself when you refused to open borders with us during our 1v5 gangbang, and wrote in all caps that you weren't going to do jack shit because you were in EXPANSION MODE. We have at least forced Kathlete to be concerned with protecting a huge western border, have him expecting us to declare war on him on T170, which is the earliest our units could be ready to attack anyways, having made their way over from Greece. KAthlete Wrote:Hello KA, "There is no wealth like knowledge. No poverty like ignorance." |
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). Then he'll supposedly help me to attack India a bit later. There are definitely some details to be cleared up but if I was to stand any chance I needed my current army available to clear India out of my lands, or atleast keep them at bay.
