Politics Discussion Thread (Heated Arguing Warning)

[ipecac]

Is anyone (besides the fascist-phobic loonies) interested in addressing the issue of how illegal immigants tilt the distribution of electoral votes?

[wetbandit]

Is anyone (besides the fascist-phobic loonies) interested in addressing the issue of how illegal immigants tilt the distribution of electoral votes?

Assuming this question relates to the US, here is the material issued by the US Bureau of the Census on reapportionment based on the 2010 census which includes their methodology. 

https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie...0br-08.pdf

The material includes the statement on page 7:

"Were undocumented residents in the 50 states included in the 2010 Census apportionment population counts? All people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in one of the 50 states were included in the 2010 Census and thus in the apportionment counts.  This has been true since the first census in 1790."

[ipecac]

Is anyone (besides the fascist-phobic loonies) interested in addressing the issue of how illegal immigants tilt the distribution of electoral votes?

Assuming this question relates to the US, here is the material issued by the US Bureau of the Census on reapportionment based on the 2010 census which includes their methodology. 

https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie...0br-08.pdf

The material includes the statement on page 7:

"Were undocumented residents in the 50 states included in the 2010 Census apportionment population counts? All people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in one of the 50 states were included in the 2010 Census and thus in the apportionment counts.  This has been true since the first census in 1790."

This concurs with the Politico article I linked in an earlier post:

Finally, I understand it all.

Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.

The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ton-213216

Everything is clear now.

[AdrienIer]

The states with the most undocumented immigrants must be Texas California Arizona NM and maybe Florida right ? So it doesn't change the electoral votes in favor of one party.

[Nicolae Carpathia]

fascist-phobic loonies holy shit that's a new one

[Nicolae Carpathia]

bud you're a step away from describing yourself as anti-antifa

[Nicolae Carpathia]

Reminder that the right spent 8 years accusing a milquetoast centrist of being an islamofascist and of building giant FEMA camps to white genocide anyone who uses the wrong pronouns, and as soon as they retook executive power, they build concentration camps for children, and stalk hospitals and schools for to deport anyone undocumented. They're even deporting permanent residents for misdeamors.

Either you imbeciles have no idea what fascism is... or your previous accusations of "liberal fascism" were a deliberate smokescreen.

[ipecac]

The states with the most undocumented immigrants must be Texas California Arizona NM and maybe Florida right ? So it doesn't change the electoral votes in favor of one party.

This is addressed in the article. The gains are not equal, neither are the losses. Due to illegal immigrants, Democrat states gain the most electoral votes while Republican states lose the most:

Using citizen-only population statistics, American University scholar Leonard Steinhorn projects California would lose five House seats and therefore five electoral votes. New York and Washington would lose one seat, and thus one electoral vote apiece. These three states, which have voted overwhelming for Democrats over the latest six presidential elections, would lose seven electoral votes altogether. The GOP’s path to victory, by contrast, depends on states that would lose a mere three electoral votes in total. Republican stronghold Texas would lose two House seats and therefore two electoral votes. Florida, which Republicans must win to reclaim the presidency, loses one seat and thus one electoral vote. But that leaves the electoral math only half done. The 10 House seats taken away from these states would then need to be reallocated to states with relatively small numbers of noncitizens. The following ten states, the bulk of which lean Republican, would likely gain one House seat and thus one additional electoral vote: Iowa, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania.

[AdrienIer]

Out of those 10 states, 6 voted for Obama (and all 10 voted for Trump). So overall it wouldn't change too many things electorally.

[ipecac]

Out of those 10 states, 6 voted for Obama (and all 10 voted for Trump). So overall it wouldn't change too many things electorally.

In the past, sure. What about in the future, given that many of those states can be flipped back?

It should also be noted that the distribution of 435 electoral votes by population also mirrors the distribution of seats in the House.