[SPOILERS - NO PLAYERS] PB41 Lurker Thread: RNG Roulette with a Shotgun

[Krill]

Rusten is in an awkward position. Does he go for full conquest or raze the GL city and offer peace to pivot somewhere else, making even more enemies? Can he even hold the nauf mainland city or would he need to recapture it? Next turn we will see Commodores re-energized Astro plans come into focus.

[Lewwyn]

How much does of Nauf's land has Rusten seen? For Nauf, that's not a minor city. That's on his mainland island. Rusten must not realize he's been pissing all over nauf with those plants. Honestly that attitude pisses me off.

[Krill]

That is standard attitude for none RB players though. Every single time. It's the culture.

[Mardoc]

Rusten is getting Astronomy shortly.  

Hmm, Naufragar is going to be in a world of trouble against Galleons. I like Rusten`s chances of winning the game but Commodore obviously has some trumps also. Maybe Rusten can get a favourable peace treaty from Naufragar and immediately turn on Commodore?

Oof, yes, Rusten was well in advance of Commodore's estimate.  I don't like Naufrager's odds here, his only saving grace is that Rusten is unprepared and doesn't seem to have much land military tech.  But the only way this really works out for Naufrager is if Rusten has larger concerns.  If Boldly and/or Commodore can be brought in, that might qualify.

Well, in a spherical cow world, anyway.  I still can't shake the image of PB38 out of my head, where mackoti steamrolled Rusten but took forever and a day to finish off Naufrager.  Nauf just seems more of a warrior.  He's got more motivation here as well, and at least decent logistics.

raze the GL city and offer peace to pivot somewhere else

That sounds like the absolute worst option. Threaten to raze the GL in exchange for peace, sure, but if you're going to follow through and actually kill a wonder, you'd better stay at war long enough that it doesn't matter if you get peace or not because your enemy can't threaten you anyway.

[Krill]

Paper tiger. But SPI, Mids, figure out the medi era techs to get, grab them, PS, kill.

But that gives Comm the time to reach Astro himself.

[Bobchillingworth]

Rusten keeps missing that, between Option A: antagonize Nauf with insulting peace offers he'll never accept, and Option B: wage a battle to the death while Commodore runs away, he could just offer white peace so that he can concentrate on what he already recognizes are the real threats to him winning the game.

[Krill]

I believe that is "Piss off you aren't worth my time" option.

But timing matters with that. He had to show the galleons before he could offer it, and nauf has to recognize the value in it. I agree it could have been offered instead of the "Gimme your stuff or or I'll hurt you" routine, and I agree it would have been better for him. It is this stuff that players new to RB tend to miss the nuance of.

Also, you have to expect nauf to abide by it. I would, until he had galleons but by then it doesn't matter. And I'm not sure killing nauf and taking all his stuff isn't a valid choice: if you think there is a window to do it and get a navy to the west of his Chilean continent, then a really aggressive player could look at the problem that Commodore borders them on two sides and look at that as an opportunity.

[Lewwyn]

My response to Rusten's answer... I'm not sure if its spoiler-y or would affect his thinking or anything. But I don't feel comfortable replying to him in his thread. He can read it here after the game if he wants. 

Because every city is worth settling at some point? I don't understand the question.

We settled these after turn 100, the silver city was settled turn 124. Naufragar has had PLENTY of time to claim them if he was so inclined. If he's making a point of them belonging to him then that's complete rubbish.

You seem to miss the implication. You are right that Nauf had plenty of time to settle those spots. His loss is of course your gain. But you are insinuating that Nauf should just accept it and thus you show a very weak understanding of human players and emotions. He is not an AI opponent. If you plant cities on his home continent you present yourself as invader no matter what age it is. For a player who is running out of places to expand and sees himself being marginalized, of course he's going to attempt to preserve some autonomy. You should have expected Nauf''s reaction to you planting cities on his home island.

So my question is, based on your dismissive idea of these cities being minor, if they are so minor, why settle them and invite retaliation if you think its more important not to be in a war with Nauf? They certainly aren't minor to him. You can't be dismissive of another person's world view just because it doesn't match your own. You instigated the attack, don't complain when people act rationally according to their worldview and not yours.

I don't have an issue with the play, I think it's the right play. But I do think you need to be more cognizant of how other people will react to what you do in the game. It's not always knowable and there are times when it is not clear and you can't understand other people's actions, but I think this case is very clear. If you feel that a war with Nauf torpedoes your game or hurts your chances why invite the attack by settling such "minor cities" on his home continent?

[The Black Sword]

Seems naufragar burned Jujyfruits. Going to have to put him in the role-playing pile of players after this game, I don't understand his actions from the standpoint of trying to win the game. I didn't think these players existed on RB -- it was one of my pet peeves in CFC pitbosses.

We've been trading since the start of the game and we gave him a favourable OB deal, but somehow he still considers us such an enemy that he's willing to lose all his seafood.

Translation:

Damn this guy for roleplaying!

Why is he attacking us when we have '+4 Our trade relations have been fair and fortright' ?!?

[The Black Sword]

Predicting people is hard, particularly when people in Naufrager's spot who have maybe 1% chance to win left, I'm not really criticising, I just found that hilarious.