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[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 20, where scores go up with population!!

this is bizarre - it looks like Ruff has two salt water tiles but no access.



that seems kind of sucky for ruff.  Pretty sure he has 9 land tiles is his non-fat cross - his score went up 35, which is consistent with me getting 31 points for 8 land.  I am moving a quecha south - he's got a warrior out in that area, so if I'm settling near there, I'll definitely need someone.

GKC land




He'll be looking for Collosus with that cap and being financial.   Lotta 3 food lakes.

Demos



Way out in front in MFG, I assume this is obvious that I'm building a settler

Looking at the relationships, ruff has not met either GKC or krill, which is a little surprising.  I think ruff and krill are neighbors.

Also, krill has a lot espionage on me, for some reason.   We aren't neighbors in any interesting way - I think he's next to superdeath. 

Or, of course, superdeath is next to me on this peninsula and the first I'll know about it is 3 chariots showing up

Techs:

I started with Agriculture and Mysticism. I've researched mining and BW and nearly done with wheel. Meditation is next, then fishing and pottery. Probably hunting after that, not sure.

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 21, nothing interesting to report

Started Meditation, due in 11 turns.  I think it comes in faster, if I remember correctly.    It would suck if someone beats me too it, but I think Krill will go polytheism.   Ruff isn't up to size 3 yet.

Settler in 5.

I might go setter->worker and put my citizens on the FP, which are just as good as PH and forest for non-settlers.

1st in Mfg good, last in crop yield, surprisingly not last in GNP, presumably cause of the pre-req bonus to meditation.

[Merovech]

Hey, sorry that I haven't responded in a few days. Should be able to catch up tomorrow or Friday. Only advice from a quick perusal is to settle everywhere contested ASAP.

I would even risk waiting for capital borders to naturally grab the copper, although I understand that you might not be so willing. Ruff is a better neighbor than Superdeath, especially since he has basically only 1 trait.

[AutomatedTeller]

hey, no worries. life happens, man, and the pace is faaastt...

I was wondering about the cow 2nd. Need another quecha to hold it. I don't think we can get it if Mr Cairo prioritizes it (the southern site is the best, I think), but if he goes there 2nd (and maybe there's a better site I didn't see), we can probably beat him, even with a 3rd settler. Certainly with a 2nd.

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn the 22nd, with no witty title

Well, arguably, none of the posts have had witty titles




This shows a couple of things:

1)  we aren't the only ones with grass oases.
2)  I set research to 0 for a turn.  My thinking was that we are going to have to run lite for a turn anyway, when we get expenses.   Running it now means we get 4 turns of the increased research. 

ruff has a warrior who is moving north.  he's hurt.  Hopefully, he doesn't make a 2nd and send them both at my 2nd city - that's too likely to end up with us in trouble.

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn the 23rd.   New settler 2 turns away!!

Actually, I think it comes out turn 25 with the chop.  



man, that site will pretty much seal off the end of that little peninsula, down south, too. 

Ruff's warrior is walking away, so it seems like he's not going to contest the area, maybe.  

Krill, Mr Cairo and us are the only teams that are size 3.   Still haven't met SD.

[AutomatedTeller]

Hey, sorry that I haven't responded in a few days.  Should be able to catch up tomorrow or Friday.  Only advice from a quick perusal is to settle everywhere contested ASAP.  

I would even risk waiting for capital borders to naturally grab the copper, although I understand that you might not be so willing.  Ruff is a better neighbor than Superdeath, especially since he has basically only 1 trait.

My main worry about waiting until turn 45-50 (depending on when the terrace goes in) to start getting the copper is that it leaves us very vulnerable to ruff or mr cairo settling copper and whipping an axe and taking our border city.    They may not do that - they won't have visibility, of course, so they'd have to invade fairly blind and, for all either of them will know, we settled once in their face and once for copper, so maybe a giant bluff will keep them out anyway.

that said, we can get 3 settlers out by turn 40, so we could settle grass oasis, peninsula cow and copper.  With a military of 1 quecha and 2 scouts, and 1 worker for 4 cities!!  Man, is that an imperialistic gambit or what?

I kind of like it.  It doesn't even crash the economy - we show 12 beakers at 60% science, which is basically what we are doing now and doesn't include any improvements.

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn rolled. Scouts found nothing interesting, except another grass oasis near Ruff. One scout is up to 3 xp - I think I should go hunting animals, get it up to medic 1. Be nice to have a healer for when wars start.

Chop comes in and the settler completes next turn!! Very exciting.

Mr Cairo got a tech, but it wasn't meditation. 8 turns to go (I think I get it down to 7 when I plant, but I'm not sure)

I did a sim - with 4 cities, we have expenses of 8. But we get the imp bonus - it would be 9 for a non-imp civ, so that's nice!!

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 26, where final decisions need to be made!!!

The south:



Settler moves to the target next turn, then settles.   If we have a better idea, this is the time!!   I believe that time for Meditation drops by a turn when we plant.

Demos



Mr Cairo is size 4 as of last turn.   I assume the food of 19 is him.  Assume he's working all food and is building a settler with the idea of 2 pop whipping - that's 11 excess food and the 3 hammers.  That's 4 turns building and then a 2 pop whip, so its built in 4 or 5 turns (depending on when he started - I think last turn).   He might chop into it, which would save him a turn, of course.

Below is the land between us



We will make our 2nd settler in 3 turns (the chop will take a turn off).   So, we can settle in 5 turns if we want.

My best guess is that he started building his settler last turn and will finish the same turn we do can settle in either the plain or the desert in 7 turns, 6 if he chops.    So, we can beat him if we want (if I'm right).  But our defense will be a scout , with a quecha at least 4 turns away and if brings a warrior over, the best we can do is a shock scout, which won't hold off a warrior

Bt it could work - he can't see in so he would have to declare to figure out if he can

If we do try to race him, we'll probably have to figure out how to not double move him, particularly as I'm pretty sure he'll have no idea he is in a race. Of course, he might end up going someplace completely different, too.

Our scout beat a wolf and a lion.  It's at C1 and has 5 exp.  It's next to a lion, so it's possible it will die, but it seems unlikely.  I'm thinking Medic 1, to have a healer.  

We don't have to really decide on that for awhile - paying attention to when mr Cairo whips is important.    The RtR nerf of whipping is big here - if it was 30 per whip, he'd be able to whip a turn earlier.

btw - that fish up in the ocean, in the northwest? There's no land near it. It's not an island. if you notice, there's no food or commerce in the yield. My guess is that Commodore edited the map and removed a spit of land that was near it.

[AutomatedTeller]

Ruff founded a city in his turn. Its not near us.

As far as I can tell, the only way he could have done that is to have started it at size 1 or maybe 2 and chopped a bunch - charismatic/protective doesn't give him fast anything, and he had first city. Very impressive.