[SPOILERS] Giraflorens and Naufragar [UNCONFINED]

[Hitru]

As a general rule I would definitely suggest against going for any wonder before 2nd city.

[giraflorens]

As a general rule I would definitely suggest against going for any wonder before 2nd city.

Yes, but I think it's the only way to take profit of the 50% wonders bonus. The possible cities are far from my neighbors so the unique risk is an invasion.  I could solve that by making arkery and going with bowmans for the new city.

[naufragar]

As a general rule I would definitely suggest against going for any wonder before 2nd city.

Yes, but I think it's the only way to take profit of the 50% wonders bonus. The possible cities are far from my neighbors so the unique risk is an invasion.  I could solve that by making arkery and going with bowmans for the new city.

I'm late responding. My apologies. There will be many opportunities to use your 50% wonder bonus. You get that bonus on all the national wonders like the Heroic Epic or Oxford University. Plus Industrial also gives you a discount on forges, which are a very important but very expensive building.

Invasion isn't the only risk when building an early wonder. The bigger risk is falling behind our rivals. Stonehenge can get you a religion, which is great for Spiritual. Otherwise, all it does is provide border expansion for cities we don't have yet, and many of those cities might not need those monuments if you found them right next to food. (Although I see from your signs that you'll use the monuments in later cities to get their food.)

I'm not trying to direct your play. Just expanding on Hitru's proverb.

[naufragar]

Does anyone know the formula to calculate the hammers overflow when whipping?

The maximum overflow is the greater of the item's cost or the base production of the city. So long as the whipped hammers don't exceed the maximum overflow hammers, you get the full overflow.

[Suite]

Does anyone know the formula to calculate the hammers overflow when whipping?

The maximum overflow is the greater of the item's cost or the base production of the city. So long as the whipped hammers don't exceed the maximum overflow hammers, you get the full overflow.

And in later stages you have to subtract the production modifiers, e.g. forge, org. religion and so on.

[giraflorens]

Does anyone know the formula to calculate the hammers overflow when whipping?

The maximum overflow is the greater of the item's cost or the base production of the city. So long as the whipped hammers don't exceed the maximum overflow hammers, you get the full overflow.

I want to know the actual hammers overflow, no the maximum.
I found a formula 

overflowhammers = (city production - 30 * pop whipped)/(2-0,15) + acumulated_hammers - unit_cost / (2-0,15)

the 0,15 is the mornach difficult bonus, the 30 is a factor for each population whiped, and the 2 I don't know. 

Thanks for the answer.  I am making a settler and doubting about whipping 1 or 2 population in order to make stonehenge afterwards.  With some calculation, whipping 2 pop, I advance 1 turn for the achivement of stonehenge and 2 turns aftewards I m back at 4 population.

[naufragar]

Hmm. Math is not my strength, so I can't tell you where the 2 comes from. In fact, I'm bad enough at math that I have no idea what that formula means. I've always calculated overflow simply as all the hammers going into something minus the thing's cost. Difficulty level doesn't matter for how many hammers you get in overflow.

If you have a settler with 66/100 hammers and are adding another 10 from the city and then also whip 2 pop points, you'll get 36 hammers overflow: (66 + 10 + 60)-100=36. (Invested_hammers+total_production+whip_chop)-cost=overflow.

Edit: I feel I haven't been helpful lately. I blame my own newness!

[giraflorens]

   

T34
PERSEPOLIS:  After whip 2 pop for the settler I m going for Stonehenge, which can be done in 4 turns (T37) (+1 chop).  In T36 grow to 3 pop and work the mine hills, and Wheel. After I go for Archery, a warrior in T40 and up to 4pop, then a worker.
I was dubting about whipping 2pop and with my calculations I got 60 hammers for Stonehenge after whipping!!!!  The alternative was no whipping and 2 turns more for the settler and 4 for stonehenge. I retard 2 turns but I would have 4 pop. And now I gained 2 moves of the settler.
NEW CITY:  the settler is already with the warrior 2 tiles NW of "city1".   I planned to set there to obtain fast the boat and the copper. When the worker finish chopping he will make a road to city1.

I have seen that Lazteuq (my west neigbourg) is always the last to play the turn.  At the beginning I had a paranoic thought that he was waiting to see if I move there, but now I think he might be already at war and had to play late, in second half turn.  I haven't done a detail calculation but for an attack with 4 axes, lots of turns must go on...  If the copper is in the 1st city radius that can be accelerated, otherwise a second city must be placed, and connected, etc, etc.  In case, I will research Archery before Animal Horses, which is my strong unit. If I have horses near!!

Thanks for your comments, they always help and cheer up!!

[naufragar]

I completely forgot to say: when whipping wonders, you get fewer hammers. I believe only 50%. It completely slipped my mind. Sorry!

[giraflorens]

I completely forgot to say: when whipping wonders, you get fewer hammers. I believe only 50%. It completely slipped my mind. Sorry!  

I didn't know. Thx. 
In this case I whipped a settler and that gave me 60 hammers (with the 50% bonus of wonders of stonehenge).  It's not very bad, half of the wonder is already done!! 
I'm not thinking about whipping the wonder, with a chop is enough.