WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Lewwyn]

Superdeath, thanks for responding (and I know work sucks, tell me about it...) but wow does this not help. "I was just joking around" now needs more content behind it.

(I know there's a risk of cross-posts here, this was written after Post #243).

I'll try to check in later with more detailed thoughts, but dinner needs my attention first.

Cyneheard smells weakness and opportunity.

Superdeath's return isn't the be all end all, but its about what I expect from superdeath. What's fishy here is Cyneheard's been floating along with low impact all game and then pops up when SD shows up to tell him he has to do better. Pot Kettle? I think Cyneheard's been waiting for an opportunity and here you have a good one to pile on and try to nail home the coffin.

[GeneralKilCavalry]

#10
Cyneheard's first post, some fluff against scooter, whatever...

Then, cyneheard graciously provided me with the vote tag syntax. Notes: no reaction to me fake voting on him. Take that as you will, I don't believe in overinterpreting this kind of stuff.

#70 - a while later

So this one is interesting. Cyneheard was prompted, he replied exactly to the questions posted.

#146
I don't see anything special here, just repeating much of the same.


And then just jumping on the SD bandwagon.

I agree that not pushing back against SD just now is a bit scummy.

[Lewwyn]

My current musings:

I'm not voting for SD today, he's not cleared but I also don't think he's a good lynch. His reaction and his return are not out of the ordinary. I'm sure he has whiplash.


I would like to continue to pressure Bob but I think there just has to be some attention on Cyneheard and Bob's not here... yet.


I'm off El Grillo.


Still waiting on CMF.

Feeling not great about nauf.

Feeling a bit better on Comm.

I don't know if I'll get enough votes on Cyneheard, but I haven't seen anything from him that makes me feel good.

Beyond the vote post for Superdeath. The follow up post:

Trying to keep this to the point.

Not lynching = just gives the wolves more time to kill people, so yes lynches do need to happen.

So if all you're doing is joking around, but not then trying to help find scum? That's not helpful, which is why I called it out and moved my vote.

It's been over a day, so there's plenty more to dig through, and I know I need to do this more myself.

This is not a fair game. All of the posts are true, especially the lies. Everyone is suspicious, and everyone is a suspect.

I think the WW platitudes at the end are particularly interesting because its like he's sorry for lynching SD who he knows is innocent? Very possible. In any case I think Cyneheard is twisting SD a bit. SD was joking early on and explaining that now. Cyneheard is taking him to task NOW for actions that happened earlier, but then in his tone he's not really giving SD a chance to come back. There's a lot of finality and judgement here that feels like an over reaction or an attempt to make it clear this is what has to happen. Let's wax poetic and say it is what it is!

But its not what it is and we can do better. This is like trying to shut down the debate before the end.

[Lewwyn]

Cyneheard who do you suspect beyond SD? Who else would you vote for?

[Charriu]

Yes, Superdeath hasn't provided the best defense, but it looks like an honest defense. Still would have helped, if he can tell us some more about other players. I kind of have to agree with GKC here:

Again, I think lynching you is a low-information move, but it's the easiest thing to do.

It's just too easy, the low hanging fruit like others already said, which does not mean he's of the hook. I'm very much leaning towards voting for somebody else, but I am tired and will decide about that after bed. Should be still enough time to make a final vote with a fresh mind.

[Lewwyn]

Yes, Superdeath hasn't provided the best defense, but it looks like an honest defense. Still would have helped, if he can tell us some more about other players. I kind of have to agree with GKC here:

Again, I think lynching you is a low-information move, but it's the easiest thing to do.

It's just too easy, the low hanging fruit like others already said, which does not mean he's of the hook. I'm very much leaning towards voting for somebody else, but I am tired and will decide about that after bed. Should be still enough time to make a final vote with a fresh mind.

Agree I bolded the good words here. It's what makes Cyneheard's vote so suspicious. Superdeath's response feels genuine and Cyne doesn't seem to care about that part. It's like SD admitted something and the Cyne is like you did that!

[AdrienIer]

Superdeath the idea is that in theory we have approximately 4/17 chances of lynching wolves today. It's super low. The only thing we have to help us and raise our odds is that wolves are only pretending to look for wolves, and by doing so usually make forced arguments or conveniently follow on a bandwagon they don't care for. Those are signs (not the only ones too) that we're all looking for (or for the wolves among us) pretending to look for. If you're not doing that it doesn't help the village do better than those 4/17 odds, and if we let you do it it incentivises wolves not to participate either giving them less chances of appearing unnatural in their posts.
It's a lot of pressure and a lot of hit and miss, but RB has a higher rate of wolf lynch on D1 than those 4/17 (or whatever the odds are on day 1 of a particular game) by forcing everyone to hunt for any microscopic clue. So we need you to play that game of hit and miss, or the village's chances get much lower.

[AdrienIer]

Now while SD is new and may not know the RB meta, Bob certainly should know. It may only be that he's too busy right now, but it's not like his earlier posts were amazing.

It's not the best vote but I need to sleep and will reread once or twice in the morning.

[superdeath]

Superdeath the idea is that in theory we have approximately 4/17 chances of lynching wolves today. It's super low. The only thing we have to help us and raise our odds is that wolves are only pretending to look for wolves, and by doing so usually make forced arguments or conveniently follow on a bandwagon they don't care for. Those are signs (not the only ones too) that we're all looking for (or for the wolves among us) pretending to look for. If you're not doing that it doesn't help the village do better than those 4/17 odds, and if we let you do it it incentivises wolves not to participate either giving them less chances of appearing unnatural in their posts.
It's a lot of pressure and a lot of hit and miss, but RB has a higher rate of wolf lynch on D1 than those 4/17 (or whatever the odds are on day 1 of a particular game) by forcing everyone to hunt for any microscopic clue. So we need you to play that game of hit and miss, or the village's chances get much lower.

4/17? Do we know if this game includes anything like the "arsonist" that im used to in the starcraft version? ( basically a neutral party that wants EVERYONE dead ) 4 wolves seems a bit high at first glance at this game though.


Thanks for the explanation of how RB meta works here. In the next couple hours ill try and read the posts and make my own judgements.

[naufragar]

I worry we have chased nauf away, which really isn't good even if he's scum.

Still here, although this game has already claimed a larger portion of my life than I allotted for it.

Also, naufragar, why the long anti-me tirade that results in you voting serdoa instead?

I’m genuinely surprised that nobody seemed to go along with me on this argument. Basically, I’m saying that I think that Serdoa likes hopping onto easy newbie buses. He was the third to vote for me and came on the strongest. I argued with him (here. Providing the link because I’m sure it’ll come up again). Then the bus moves off me and on to Superdeath. He’s the second to vote on Superdeath, although Lewwyn and Commodore express non-voted concern before (with Comm waving it away). He never responds to me. (His reasoning: “What was there to reply? You replied to something I didn't write.” From the post that you’ve copied for Superdeath.)

Along with the Superdeath bit, he raises concerns about a bunch of other people. At this time, you’ve drawn some heat yourself. You evade Serdoa’s gaze. Instead, when you come up, he goes after Gaspar and Pindicator (again, in the post you copied). Gaspar says to give newbies a break, and Serdoa says they should be pressured (again, however, not pressuring you). Pindicator actually doesn’t attack you at all. Pind tells Serdoa that Serdoa misread him here. So Pindi wasn’t attacking you but Serdoa found Pind’s whole post to be scummy. Serdoa finds it scummy because Pind doesn’t attack you while laying out “in the first part very well why his [i.e. GKC’s] behaviour reeks of wolfness.” Serdoa has read into Pind’s post an attack. He thinks your behavior reeks of wolfness so much that Pind not mentioning it is suspicious, but then he doesn’t go after you at all.

Serdoa bends over backwards not to attack you, when he has no problem going after others for newbish things. The reason I included my addendum on your wolfishness is because I think you’re wolfy and Serdoa’s hesitation can be explained by you two being members of a pack.

For time, I’m just answering why my vote against Serdoa included a bit on you. I haven’t responded to your defense here. My next project () is to respond to the Superdeath stuff, so I’m not just hopping on to easy wagons. I’ve only got under an hour of free time left tonight, but I’m around before the deadline tomorrow.