[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[Serdoa]

novice, you are right that Lewwyn coming forward with his ability is a rather null tell all things considered, which upon rereading seem to be what most of his posts revolve around.

May I ask, why do you single novice out here? He wasn't the only one pointing that out.

There are still too many people who have been too quiet for my liking (thrawn, pindicator, AdrienIer, superdeath, DS). My vote is currently on thrawn but right now I could easily switch to anyone else listed, especially those who've played before and should know better.

I completely agree with this. I've not moved from thrawn, but he is in a group with several others (mentioned in the quote) which all could get my vote equally right now. That said, I don't like thrawns latest post either, but I also don't like pindicator not posting. I also don't like SD only roleplaying-posting - but now I know he is capable of writing longer posts. It actually seems to be a deviation from his normal play (make one post per day, two if the first had less than 5 words) which I'm curious what triggered it.

I did mention Dark Savant, so I did post thoughts on players aside from thrawn. In the very post you quote I wonder if Lewwyn is actually forbidden to write in prose. While I don't consider these things to be scum or town tells, I'm keeping them in mind (my D1 is always like that BTW). So I believe you're being a little harsh here, I was literally waiting for more people to post before posting.

That last sentence leaves me puzzled. You waited for more people to post before you yourself would post? But if we all did that, wouldn't no one post at all? I'd get if you felt there was nothing more to add at that point or that you were not online, but you don't mention either but specifically that you waited for others. Which means you said "Hello" waited 13 hours, made 1 post speculating a little on Grognards and then you waited another 6 hours because you waited for others to post? And yet, even after we posted 100 more posts, all you have to add is some questions about Lewwyns power?

[Lewwyn]

@the Bard
How should I know if thrawn is naughty or nice. Still I find the vote of the Rogue cowardish and easy. Nothing more and nothing less to it.

But more important Rowain is here to protect.

That singer is a lie. Me not here to protect but to wack badguys with my axe.

Do you know thrawn's alignment?
Maybe yes and maybe no.
Your attack needs refinement,
You allow too narrow a roe to hoe.

Even if you say you don't protect,
the results the same, don't deflect.

If Serdoa's attack on thrawn is too easy because of who thrawn is
Can he ever have a reason good enough to vote for this sorcerous whiz?
I understand a higher standard for a wily vet,
but I think you gatekeep Serdoa in a net.

[Rowain]

If Serdoa's attack on thrawn is too easy because of who thrawn is
Can he ever have a reason good enough to vote for this sorcerous whiz?
I understand a higher standard for a wily vet,
but I think you gatekeep Serdoa in a net.

I disd not deflect I did not prohibit voting for thrawn.
But the reason "you try too hard" is a weak one and the target chosen is also a weak one.
Serdoa can be a lot better and see his action vs Adrien looks more in line with a town Serdoa.

If thrawn doesn't start hunting no problem with voting him off. If he posts one more time how lost he is I'll vote thrawn myself.

[AdrienIer]

I did mention Dark Savant, so I did post thoughts on players aside from thrawn. In the very post you quote I wonder if Lewwyn is actually forbidden to write in prose. While I don't consider these things to be scum or town tells, I'm keeping them in mind (my D1 is always like that BTW). So I believe you're being a little harsh here, I was literally waiting for more people to post before posting.

That last sentence leaves me puzzled. You waited for more people to post before you yourself would post? But if we all did that, wouldn't no one post at all? I'd get if you felt there was nothing more to add at that point or that you were not online, but you don't mention either but specifically that you waited for others. Which means you said "Hello" waited 13 hours, made 1 post speculating a little on Grognards and then you waited another 6 hours because you waited for others to post? And yet, even after we posted 100 more posts, all you have to add is some questions about Lewwyns power?

In post 91 (around the time I woke up) I ask thrawn some questions, and specifically call out the lack of participation in actual discussion by some people. Being in the first half of D1 with very little to discuss I figured I might wait on some of those people to post. If there had been some important things happening right afterwards I'd have participated, but I thought there was nothing urgent to add on the "graveyard thread" discussion (BTW my position is that there's likely a "revive a dead person for a day" power) so I prefered to wait for a couple hours. And I didn't wait that long too.
I completely disagree with your last sentence, which is actually a mischaracterisation of my posts so far. I prodded thrawn (who didn't answer BTW), and mentioned several things that I was weary about (in the very post you quote).

[AdrienIer]

I did mention Dark Savant, so I did post thoughts on players aside from thrawn. In the very post you quote I wonder if Lewwyn is actually forbidden to write in prose. While I don't consider these things to be scum or town tells, I'm keeping them in mind (my D1 is always like that BTW). So I believe you're being a little harsh here, I was literally waiting for more people to post before posting.

That last sentence leaves me puzzled. You waited for more people to post before you yourself would post? But if we all did that, wouldn't no one post at all? I'd get if you felt there was nothing more to add at that point or that you were not online, but you don't mention either but specifically that you waited for others. Which means you said "Hello" waited 13 hours, made 1 post speculating a little on Grognards and then you waited another 6 hours because you waited for others to post? And yet, even after we posted 100 more posts, all you have to add is some questions about Lewwyns power?

I'm actually bothered about the bolded part. It's not like I was hiding for the entire game and then explaining it by waiting for others to post. I participated early, then participated as I woke up, then waited a bit while there was very little to discuss (due to some people being absent).

[Lewwyn]

If thrawn doesn't start hunting no problem with voting him off. If he posts one more time how lost he is I'll vote thrawn myself.

Over under now on thrawn woe is me?
I say you can have that bet for free.

Rowain you clarify that Serdoa's reasoning lacks punch,
but by my count the day has yet to even reach lunch!
I agree to find weak arguments suspicious later on,
but not when the first day has only just broke dawn.

[superdeath]

Mostly roleplay that I am happy for you guys if you enjoy it, but it also means that several players have not actually participated in the actual game nor made a vote that was meant as such - or at least I assume so. SD comes to mind here.

I apologize, i didnt get to roleplay Rick Sanchez in the last WW and it looked like a ton of fun watching those that did, so here i am

I also don't like SD only roleplaying-posting - but now I know he is capable of writing longer posts. It actually seems to be a deviation from his normal play (make one post per day, two if the first had less than 5 words) which I'm curious what triggered it.

Saturday after a long day at work because someone called in + political mail bummed me out, and then i remembered that the D&D WW had started so i rushed home and chose my warlock hero

Silly humans, i see alot of you havent noticed that  Thrawn  seems to have gotten by with several no-content thoughts followed by post #119 and post #120 where he also didnt add anything worthwhile to the discussion. He is supposed to be a sorcerer? Unless a spell of bewilderment backfired on him, this seems in-excusable. Thrawn, who do you believe steamrolled those goblins and is making our experience un-fun? Who would you vote to have whatever powerful item we find tonight?

[Rowain]

@Bard
Thrawn is an easy voting place for scum. He was in danger to get lynched day1 ww47 and got lynched Day 1WW48. He is the "if you don't know what to do throw dirt on thrawn and vote him" for all bad guys. It is easy play and it is wrong play for town. Why need I explain that to you?

[Serdoa]

In post 91 (around the time I woke up) I ask thrawn some questions, and specifically call out the lack of participation in actual discussion by some people. Being in the first half of D1 with very little to discuss I figured I might wait on some of those people to post. If there had been some important things happening right afterwards I'd have participated, but I thought there was nothing urgent to add on the "graveyard thread" discussion (BTW my position is that there's likely a "revive a dead person for a day" power) so I prefered to wait for a couple hours. And I didn't wait that long too.
I completely disagree with your last sentence, which is actually a mischaracterisation of my posts so far. I prodded thrawn (who didn't answer BTW), and mentioned several things that I was weary about (in the very post you quote).

Adrien, to break it down: When I posted you had 8 posts so far. 4 at the beginning, 1 post 13 hours later and another 3 at the end, shortly before I wrote mine. The first of those latest 3 included your sentence that you waited for others to post. So your relevant posts to look at are the 5 that happened before you made that statement, and not those you made after or at the same time of that statement. So what do we have:

#3: Saying Hello. Voting Rowain (jokingly obviously at that point)
#20: Meta speculation - though you also add that you refrained to do any research on it
#22: Agreeing that DS should not have jumped around that much - I think. Or preemptively deflecting questions why you didn't tell him not to jump around? I wouldn't even know why anyone would ask those, but to me it reads like defending against something that no one said.
#27: Meta speculation and your answer to the question if you don't want to win, what you only answered by stating that you want to play.
#91: Meta speculation, speculation on Lewwyns role (as I pointed out) and a vote for thrawn, prodding him to post something.
#121: The post I questioned because you state you haven't posted more as you waited for others.

Now, looking at those, are you really surprised that I'm puzzled by that sentence of yours? With over a hundred posts written, you have, besides meta speculation, only awkwardly agreed on the DS vote-jumping and asked thrawn to post some thoughts. That's not much - so it was pointed out by WK too. Which you seemed to agree with and defended by giving an explanation: That you waited for others to post something.

I agree that I probably cut short what you posted in #91, but that wasn't the point why I was puzzled either. It was your actual sentence about waiting for others, while other did indeed write 100+ posts. You've by now explained that with exactly what I would have expected in the first place.

Basically my issue is with the way you explain things when you get questioned. The way you defend before being attacked and the way you counter-attack, missing the actual point of the accusation (deliberately?). Like your next post:

That last sentence leaves me puzzled. You waited for more people to post before you yourself would post? But if we all did that, wouldn't no one post at all?

I'm actually bothered about the bolded part. It's not like I was hiding for the entire game and then explaining it by waiting for others to post. I participated early, then participated as I woke up, then waited a bit while there was very little to discuss (due to some people being absent).

Why are you bothered? What do you mean by that? Do you think I could be scum? Then just say it, stand by what you think. This instead feels like you test the waters, try to find out if anyone would agree but if not, you can still go back on it and state "oh no, I never said he is scum, I just said that sentence bothered me".

And as for your actual point here: You answer to some accusation, implying that I accuse you of hiding, but I never made that accusation. I don't care if you call what you do hiding or participating or roleplaying. I'm bothered by the words you use and the sentences you craft and I believe you could be scum.

AdrienIer

[Lewwyn]

@Bard
Thrawn is an easy voting place for scum. He was in danger to get lynched day1 ww47  and got lynched Day 1WW48. He is the "if you don't know what to do throw dirt on thrawn and vote him" for all bad guys. It is easy play and it is wrong play for town. Why need I explain that to you?

Considering the warlock's now ironic vote
I see your point of the low hanging fruit,
and yet remember that last he was smote,
thrawn's name turned red beneath the boot.
That lynch was earned in blood,
and voting for him was no dud.

This time may indeed be different
but a vote cast for thrawn 
does not mean not innocent.
Easy is not always wrong.

I do not like your broad broad stroke here,
I agree that voting thrawn may be easy.
And there maybe scum among the tier
But that alone is not enough Mr. beefy.