February 13th, 2021, 19:33
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Ideally, we would get away from this archaic 2 party "system" and also put an age limit on public office. Once you get to 65, Retire. Your thoughts are no longer relevant to the current generation. Got public officials that were born and lived thru segregation and many will have not been able to keep up with changing attitudes in the American people. Radical ideas perhaps, but man hearing these old fucks speak makes me cringe that they are the ones controlling our government.
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February 13th, 2021, 19:40
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Mjmd Wrote:I mean we all knew it was going to happen. I'm just honestly confused what the Republican endgame is. By not convicting him and stopping him from running you are 100% guaranteeing he runs again in 2024. If his base is as powerful as you fear it is, he will be the candidate again. That means of course that the normal fear tactics Republicans use are useless as Trump is going to drive voting for Democrats..... You can write the attack ads now "Donald Trump sat and watched the riot and did nothing".
I'm not surprised either.
The Republicans have 4 years to run their hype machine and Trump's core base still believe the narrative that the election was stolen. They can be counted on to go out and vote in droves. In the meantime, Biden has 4 years to disappoint the Democratic base. He's a weak candidate who barely scraped out a win after 4 years of Trumpy's misrule. This does not bode well for 2024.
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February 13th, 2021, 20:17
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(February 13th, 2021, 17:19)Mjmd Wrote: I mean we all knew it was going to happen. I'm just honestly confused what the Republican endgame is. By not convicting him and stopping him from running you are 100% guaranteeing he runs again in 2024. If his base is as powerful as you fear it is, he will be the candidate again. That means of course that the normal fear tactics Republicans use are useless as Trump is going to drive voting for Democrats..... You can write the attack ads now "Donald Trump sat and watched the riot and did nothing".
There's a good chance that Trump isn't going to be able to run again in 2024 due to legal problems, health or just not running again. It's better to take that chance and hope to get lucky, rather then have a 100% chance of getting destroyed when Trump gets mad enough to make a third party.
February 13th, 2021, 20:42
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(February 13th, 2021, 17:22)superdeath Wrote: I just want a 3rd party to be viable... is that too much to ask?
Suck it up, SD. Learn to live with the system we have, and make the best choices you can within it. I wish we had a parliamentary system too, but we don't, and wasting votes on third parties, or not voting at all, is major reason why younger generations have underwhelming political power.
Seriously, this complaining about our political system from people who consistently fail to recognize and make simple binary choices in their best interests in getting tedious.
February 13th, 2021, 20:45
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(February 13th, 2021, 20:17)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: There's a good chance that Trump isn't going to be able to run again in 2024 due to legal problems, health or just not running again. It's better to take that chance and hope to get lucky, rather then have a 100% chance of getting destroyed when Trump gets mad enough to make a third party.
There's no chance in hell Trump has the wherewithal to put in the effort to create a legitimate, nationally competitive third party. A scam one, maybe.
February 13th, 2021, 20:54
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(February 13th, 2021, 20:45)Bobchillingworth Wrote: (February 13th, 2021, 20:17)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: There's a good chance that Trump isn't going to be able to run again in 2024 due to legal problems, health or just not running again. It's better to take that chance and hope to get lucky, rather then have a 100% chance of getting destroyed when Trump gets mad enough to make a third party.
There's no chance in hell Trump has the wherewithal to put in the effort to create a legitimate, nationally competitive third party. A scam one, maybe.
A third party would have no chance of winning due to vote-splitting, so it would be made purely to spite GOP, and so it would be a scam one. Even a scam one would go bleed off 20% of the vote and punish GOP for the conviction.
February 13th, 2021, 23:54
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(February 13th, 2021, 19:33)superdeath Wrote: Once you get to 65, Retire. Your thoughts are no longer relevant to the current generation.
Reality check: Old people vote VERY consistently.
Young people aren't very good at voting consistently.
So who has the power? The people who show up and vote and make a decision.
Lots of people don't have the choice - or don't want to fully retire - at 65. They won't be happy with you saying that "after 65 you're useless" (I've advocated for an age limit around 80 - because you start to see senility creep in - but "generational alignment" is NOT going to win you any friends. And the enemies you make will vote and will ignore everything else you say).
If you want third parties to work, start small. This system has been built up for centuries - assuming you can just knock it over in an afternoon is wishful thinking. The vast majority of politicians work their way up the system - third parties should do that too. Philly elected a non-Dem/GOP City Council member. Baltimore had a Green vs. Dem race for City Council - and while it wasn't terribly close (60-36) - that was 30 points closer than any Dem vs GOP race. But that doesn't mean the next time will be the same. Yes, I'm saying "start in the areas where Dems have full control" - because if an area is 55 Dem - 45 GOP, you're just going to play spoiler. That isn't a risk when it's 80%+ Dem.
February 14th, 2021, 06:31
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I mean, hypocrisy is nothing new in politics, but Mitch McConnell saying: Trump is a bad guy and responsible for the insurrection, but I can't vote for conviction because I, personally, didn't allow the senate trial to happen while he was still president? Possibly a new low.
February 14th, 2021, 08:17
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(February 13th, 2021, 17:04)Thoth Wrote: Emperor Cheeto managed to get acquitted: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-impe...lI7jx7oWPI
Not surprising. A lot of Republicans are complicit with him, it's not just Trump who denies the election results and calls for violence.
February 14th, 2021, 09:40
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(February 14th, 2021, 06:31)DaveV Wrote: I mean, hypocrisy is nothing new in politics, but Mitch McConnell saying: Trump is a bad guy and responsible for the insurrection, but I can't vote for conviction because I, personally, didn't allow the senate trial to happen while he was still president? Possibly a new low.
The height of cynicism. If this got to 57 votes without him, there's a real chance that if he'd pushed to convict we'd have gotten to 67. But, no, he had to weakly complain about the thing he set up.
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