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American Politics Discussion Thread
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(August 9th, 2022, 06:56)Jowy Wrote: Bernie mentioned that the country needs to go towards a multi-party system. Wouldn't the next election be a great time for a third party to enter? Trump and Biden are both mighty unpopular. Bernie could run for the first presidency, then someone else carries his legacy once the party has been established. Would this be legal? Legal, almost certainly, but you'd need a candidate who can get votes from both Trump and Biden. Otherwise you're just handing the White House to Trump, because he wins 40-30-30. That is not Bernie. There's very few Trump voters who could be talked into supporting a third party. Ross Perot did that, but that was 30 years ago and he was the opposite of a left-wing candidate - and he couldn't even get 20% of the vote.
August 9th, 2022, 07:36
(This post was last modified: August 9th, 2022, 07:44 by BING_XI_LAO.)
The intelligence agencies have gotten a lot smoother since murdering JFK - but in fairness, back then propaganda didn't have the intensity and repetition afforded by modern technology. Preparatory narratives such as "Russia Collusion" are only practical with that kind of intense repetition, not to mention the servile and credulous mentality of the 21st century Westerner. So you don't need to kill a disobedient President any more.
For all his failures on follow-through Trump was fundamentally disobedient to the corporate/intel agency ruling structure:
But the problem is the stability of the 2-party system, which manifests in many countries, it's a natural outcome. If you run as third party, you lose, and if you seize control of one party, purging it of all the power structure shills weakens it and lets the other party swing back in. And even so Trump definitely never forced his will on the Republicans anything like as much as he could or should have. The great irony is that he isn't someone interested in abstract political questions. The reason he ended up with wildly different political opinions was simply due to being a true man, with his own opinions, disregarding all the power structure opinions out of sheer arrogance (in a good way). He remained true to the time he grew up in, a time when America really was more powerful and better functioning. In contrast most people, even in their 70s, have been bending the knee to the new culture. Anyway, I hope Herr Trump keeps causing a ruckus, even if this excludes him from 2024. I think some (very little, but some) of the hysteria around Jan 6th was real - "What if Truimp supporters actually did try to stage a revolt?"
August 9th, 2022, 07:43
(This post was last modified: August 9th, 2022, 07:45 by BING_XI_LAO.)
(July 7th, 2022, 07:12)Mjmd Wrote: Boris Johnson is on the way out. Its refreshing seeing a political party (or at least enough of it) actually turn its back on a politician after a relatively medium amount of scandal. Oh man, I can't agree on anything when I read your posts right now  . I'm British (only recently left the country), I follow the news, and I have literally no idea what the scandal was. Actually - I just remembered - some MP or appointee being a creep - that's a pretext IMO. The situation in the economy is bad, but they don't want to change policies, so instead they pretend the problem was the leadership. I didn't vote for Bojo, but potential replacements like Liz Truss are absolutely horrifying mediocrities. Boris may not be a human, but he is at least an individual. (June 23rd, 2022, 06:34)Mjmd Wrote: Your committing some logical fallacies. It's more that I was arguing that the big Western media might as well be part of the state, as far as the question of censorship and political influence is concerned. In the same way that the mediaeval church and state worked closely together. I should check out Chinese media more using machine translation, to find out what sort of viewpoint diversity there is. I did see they had some high quality Derek Chauvin / George Floyd memes. Sorry for the super late replies. I have to go check if there's another Pitboss signup available, too....  (August 9th, 2022, 07:02)darrelljs Wrote:(August 9th, 2022, 06:51)Ginger() Wrote: The idea of appeasement is dangerous and inevitably normalizes Trump's actions. I also don't know how the Georgia call wasn't the end of it....... Basically humans are really bad at admitting they are wrong. Jan 6th was an opportunity for Republican's to admit they were wrong. AND A LOT DID!!!! for about 2-3 weeks..... But that doesn't mean the base isn't slowly being eroded away. Everyone forgets Nixon took over a year to leave while spouting "I am not a crook" the whole time. But eventually..... the Republicans in power were afraid of election results if they stuck with him. We need that kind of backlash. fyi Cyneheard is right that a 3rd party would split the democrat vote. UNLESS the Republican party shatters. Its happened before in history, could always happen again.
@ Bing I'm just ignoring your first post because I'm not entirely positive you have a point or where you are going.....
Here is a BBC article on Boris Johnson scandals https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62070422 For us Americans looking at this list its just some random Monday of Trumps, but again good for you Brits. Not sure you are getting a better replacement, but at least some kind of accountability is present. Western Media has bias. Its bias when not politically leaning is "click" leaning. What they think / will get clicks distorts a lot. But again, is it perfect: no. Is it the most open with most information in the history of the world? So far yes. It is no where near comparable with state controlled. No new pitbosses starting unless you play civ6 then there is a PBEM.
The thing is the Trump base was already going to vote literally no matter what. I don't think his base has much more room to get amped or expand. Therefore literally anything that can bring non mega republicans / moderates to vote Democrat is a win.
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