[Spoilers] Defining the phrase "€˜Hung Like a Horse"€™: Pb & the Kuriotates

[Kyan]

Your updates are, as usual, extremely impressive. I'm definitely happy to play your turns whilst you're gone but i won't have time to produce massive updates like yours.

I can replicate updates similar to my PBEM4 ones. Covers all the bases. I don't want to sit and do demo work though so if you'd prefer someone else whose more inclined to that sort of thing- i totally understand.

[pocketbeetle]

Your updates are, as usual, extremely impressive. I'm definitely happy to play your turns whilst you're gone but i won't have time to produce massive updates like yours.

I can replicate updates similar to my PBEM4 ones. Covers all the bases. I don't want to sit and do demo work though so if you'd prefer someone else whose more inclined to that sort of thing- i totally understand.

Hi Kyan,

Hell no, I don't expect you to do any demo work at all! That's my personal stupidity/crusade.
I'll be more than happy if you just play the turns (I'll provide detailed instructions as per our agreement with Selrahc), and if you get time to take a shot of the demographics screen and upload it, I'll be over the moon.

So can I post that you'll be covering in the tech thread?
Last chance to back out, no hard feelings. =)
I know you're busy in PBEM4.

[Kyan]

Hi Kyan,

Hell no, I don't expect you to do any demo work at all! That's my personal stupidity/crusade.
I'll be more than happy if you just play the turns (I'll provide detailed instructions as per our agreement with Selrahc), and if you get time to take a shot of the demographics screen and upload it, I'll be over the moon.

So can I post that you'll be covering in the tech thread?
Last chance to back out, no hard feelings. =)
I know you're busy in PBEM4.

Yeah that's fine mate. No worries.

[pocketbeetle]

Second City placement:



Points to consider:

• Aim is to be a classic cottage commerce capital powered by Bureaucracy-type bonuses, with strong production also.
  
• Must be riverside for Deruptus Brewery national wonder (provides up to +30% raw commerce).
  
• Must have a decent chunk of river tiles, preferably grassland.
  
• Must have a minimum of 2 food resources, preferably 3, in it’s BFC, one of which must be farmable (only the wheat).
  
• Should have decent base production.
  
• Should have at least 2 silks in its 3rd cultural ring (Kuriotates BFC +1), one early happy for me & one to trade.
  
• Hill plant would be nice for defense (vs Selrahc).
  
• Distance from Kwythellar for defensive purposes: (assume bridges)
  • Ideal distance: 6 tiles or less. (Centaur 3 movement x 2 on roads = 6)
    
  • Acceptable distance: 7-8 tiles (Centaur sprint for +1 movement, -10% str on arrival)
    
  • Pushing it distance: 9 tiles. (Centaur 3 movement when have Engineering x 3 = 9)
    
  • Unacceptable: 10+ tiles.
    
• Silks provide +4 commerce when improved, eg grassland riverside silks = 2f/5c
  
• Note the sheep is roughly equivalent to the oasis in the South.
  Improved gl sheep = 5f/1c, Springed Oasis = 4f/1h/2c, 5f/2c if Vitalised to grassland, (oasis gets +1c from Financial).
  
• Note crabs are mediocre for a non-coastal city.
  2f/2c, improving to 4f/2c when netted.
  
• Note furs are unattractive.
  1f/1h/1c improving to 1f/1h/4c after hunting, potentially +1h more if forest spreads.
  
• Mana node tile is irrelevant, can be claimed by a filler settlement later.
  
• Minimise unworkable tiles (peaks!) and coast.
  Desert can be considered workable, can be Springed later to plains.
  
• The Kuriotates’ BFC is the same size as the outline in the picture.
  
• When I say “the 3rd cultural ring”, I mean the BFC +1 tiles.
  Not necessarily workable, but can be improved and claimed when a city reaches it’s third cultural expansion at 250cp on quick.
  
• There’s a good chance I intend to fire off the worldspell to get 300cp instantly.
  

Where would you put it?
Feel free to post your answer here, or just jot it down on a piece of paper.

[Adlain]

Id put it on a land tile for a start..........




anything else would be spoilerish :neenernee

[Maksim]

Feel free to post your answer here, or just jot it down on a piece of paper.

Or post it in the lurker thread, as some of us have done...

[Ilios]

Done

[pocketbeetle]

Declared war on Sareln.

But I guess you guys don't really care about that, do you?

Naaah.


Edit: Nothing serious.
Post details later when I can.

[pocketbeetle]

Turn 50:

First of all, an event.



Strange one this, a similar moral question is contained in the backstory for Hyborem: the Infernal leader. He has a worldspell called Hyborem’s Whisper which allows the player to capture any one city on the map so long as it has the Ashen Veil religion in it.
The idea behind it: is that Hyborem taunts the leader owning that city with unanswerable moral dilemnas until they go mad/give him the city.

In this one, it’s a case of kill 1 life by action, or 5 by inaction.
I chose the inaction, because I believe the game considers it the ‘gooder’ thing to do.
But the unanimous opinion seems to be that this event does nothing. It’s meant to lead into more events later, but doesn’t.
Read more here.


So, Vanilla Ice.

The Svartalfar scout is gone, replaced by an uninjured lizardman. Sareln later said that the scout escaped through the forest, using his 2 movement elf bonus.
Vanilla Ice has no such option, and is blocked off by desert, which costs 2 movement.

Two choices, die, or take a shortcut.
I took the shortcut.



The upshot is that I had to declare war on Sareln.
Fired off an apology message:

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:00:48 PM
Subject : Lizardmen

Hi Sareln,

I'm very sorry about the lizardmen breaking off to attack your capital.
That was neither planned nor intended, my sincere apologies.

Secondly, I don't know if your scout managed to escape, but this turn I found the location it was standing in replaced by an uninjured lizardman.
The only direction my unit could flee was through your borders, which unfortunately meant declaring a (I really hope) temporary war.

Rather than hold up the game to ask permission I've simply done it.
The scout unit moved 1 tile into your borders and has now exited, he has no plans to return.
Maybe he can take that new lizardman with him.

I'll gladly be offering peace again as soon as I can, I hope you'll accept.

Kind Regards,
Pb, JugglingTooManyObjects Boy-King

Unfortunately I think I was a touch too slow sending it off, and he got the turn before he got my message.

His reply was none too pleased:

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:19:03 PM
Subject: RE:Lizardmen

Better to ask forgiveness than permission I suppose? Kindly don't do
that again or I might actually get annoyed :D. It's probably for the
best that Vanilla Ice exited immediately, the grounds surrounding my
capital are certainly quite dangerous and easy experience would go a
long way in helping push back the barbarian menace - he would have
certainly been a tempting snack for my forces. Your scout will find
it a slow trek home, as the land between Selrahc and I is filled with
hills, but I wish you well and will re-sign peace when my turn comes
around.

Thank you for asking after my scout, he is doing quite well. Since I
am at the end of the turn order, I get to watch barbarian moves which
is a huge perk at this stage of the game. He continues southward on
his mission to contact the Hippus and Calabim.

-Sareln-

Sorry, but Sareln continues to fall short at the diplo.

He has a right to be unhappy, both for the extra two lizardmen I brought him, and the unasked for war. However I am busy, and that wasn’t just a sneaky manoeuvre, the ‘not asking for permission’ part. We missed a turn yesterday, I didn’t want to miss another one today.
So he has a right to slap my hand a bit, but Sareln, when you come to read this, you should have been making a decision here.

Either you don’t want me as an ally, in which case, don’t hold back, throw insults or at best just give one word replies.
Or, you do want me as an ally, in which case don’t include the bolded part in that message.
It’s just threat after threat after threat, and doesn’t come across well, smiley or no smiley.

As far as I’m concerned, diplo is now sealed.
So long as I can point Selrahc at Sareln, there’s no chance of the Kuriotates aiding the Svartalfar.

I just hope I haven’t screwed up too much by putting Selrahc off.
I do still think it was necessary.


Moving on.
Nothing happening at Kwythellar, except that it grew to size 7, now the biggest city, and the Sage Council finishes next turn.




Demographics:

• Amusingly, Selrahc has renamed his cities to ‘Silent Night’ and ‘Jingle Bells’ now.
  Maybe we will have a Santa’s grotto after all!
  
• Bob’s GNP increased by another 1 to 22.
  

You guys certainly seem to be getting excited by something over at the lurker thread.

[Ilios]

You guys certainly seem to be getting excited by something over at the lurker thread.

Yes, exciting, isn't it?