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Republicans are not nazis though. I mean they might think the same, but they haven't put up a gas chamber, so no way they are nazis. It would be very rude and inappropriate to call them nazis when they clearly are not. Sure Trump called tiki torch carriers and proud boys good people, but he also hasn't set up a gas chamber, so he is not a nazi. Therefore we can't say that the two presidential candidates for the Republicans are both nazis.
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Or social media.

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At least they are honest about it. Much easier to fight them that way than the insidious "holier-than-thou" classic west-germanic superiority complex soaked in "human rights" and "freedoms" and "values" rhetoric we get from the other side of the same american coin.
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History is full of people fighting for "human rights" and "freedom". It doesn't always work. It doesn't always turn out how you would like it to. There are certainly times where people espousing those values turn their back on them or are just using the rhetoric for their own power plays. That doesn't mean you stop fighting for them and turn to hatred and fascism.
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Grab your popcorn for Tuesday
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Marcy Wheeler at Emptywheel has some good perspective on this:

Quote:In other words, the most newsworthy detail in Trump’s tweet (beyond the incitement) — the day he would be charged — was just made up, a guess based off the same information all the rest of us have. It was nevertheless treated as newsworthy by a slew of journalists needing an excuse to disseminate unfiltered incendiary speech on Twitter. And no one has since gone back to amend their original tweets to note that Trump’s claims to know the date of his arrest were a lie.

Trump’s team simply guessed what day he’ll be charged so as to make a call to fight newsworthy enough for kneejerk journalists to help it go viral for him.

It worked.

It works every single fucking time Trump does this.

Every. Single. Time.

And it’s not just the fact that a bunch of journalists served as willing data mules for Trump’s incendiary tweet, bringing it onto Twitter for him and helping it to go viral in unfiltered form.

It’s the other effect the tweet had on reporting about Trump.

First, everyone completely dropped the significant development in a case that even a number of diehard Republicans think has real gravity, Trump’s refusal to return all the classified documents he stole. That story — a burning story late into Friday — utterly disappeared by Saturday morning. Trump is so good at playing the media that he can effectively just dictate what even CNN and MSNBC will cover. And his tweet managed to make that more damaging investigation — an investigation led by a white man rather than a Black one, and so harder to use to mobilize Trump’s most racist followers — completely disappear from coverage. Journalists who had broken key details about the crime-fraud ruling Friday were instead asked to cover Trump’s tweet on the cable shows on Saturday.

Quote:Trump has these journalists trained to act reactively, without taking the time first to figure out whether he was again making shit up (as he was in this tweet). He has these journalists trained to mindlessly help him disseminate antisemitic incitement on platforms he’s not a part of, usually without commentary identifying that’s what he’s doing. Trump is so good at exploiting journalists who know better that he has made them participants in his incitement.
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All calculations I make w.r.t. Trump are done to minimize the chance he gets reelected. Therefore I hope he is not indicted.

Darrell
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Is it better if Republicans lose another election and hopefully a safer democracy or better to show that powerful can be held accountable which also would be good. Its probably the former but I can hope for both.
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20 years since the Iraq War -- or should we say, since war was never declared, a "special military operation pilot episode"? 



This is where the mental ailments in this country's politics started to grow to an uncontrollable degree until we got the schizophrenic episode of the Trump "administration" (known unknowns & unknown knowns  <---> "fake news"), leading to the near suicide that was Jan 6. All traced back to this load of bullcrap from war criminals Cheney, Rumsfield, and Powell (who lied brazenly before the UN in session about WMDs). I have little faith that any incoming administration in 2024 won't do another:
USS Maine
Operation Northwoods/Mongoose
Gulf of Tonkin
"WMD" episode
though an incoming "Meatball Ron" or Trump admin is far more likely to do so.
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