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I mean there is..... You realize the Democrats do file more anti trust lawsuits than Republicans don't you? Edit: also allow fewer mergers. Again, look back to the 1900s. Pathetic work protection, major direct corruption from corporations, and most of those in power were from affluent background. AND YET. CHANGE OCCURRED!!!! Stop saying it can't happen.

Charr Babies · October 7th, 2023, 23:25

(October 7th, 2023, 21:53)Mjmd Wrote: Fair enough, lets do some examples of democracy accountability. So a good example is that in democracies there questioning of officials by non state media. There are open records laws. If we think a leader is doing a bad job we can get rid of them. An autocracy CAN'T do that. Trump is an excellent example. How the heck he won the first time is an open question, but we then got to kick him out. In 2021 there was a special election in Georgie. Now usually Republicans have advantage in special elections because less people vote. Also, its Georgie so there is major voter suppression. However, both Republican senators has some mild corruption going on and Trumps Georgia phone call trying to "find" votes had just come out. And we got two Democrat senators. In a Republican state. Through the hard work of a lot of people. Don't tell me voting doesn't work or you can't change things by working at it. It doesn't always work BUT it can. I can go on. I've given other historical examples.
The thing is Russia doesn't have to worry about NATO. Its a defensive alliance. That lie is pitiful obvious now. If NATO wanted to destroy Russian army and make Ukraine an instant member they've had months of Russian army being bogged down in foreign territory. It would be so easy to finish them off. There is resistence to adding Ukraine to NATO even NOW because it would mean NATO would have to go to war with Russia. NATO has a / could gain a casus belli and still isn't doing it..... Ukraine is about spheres of influence. Russia thinks its theirs. However, it belongs to the Ukrainians. They made that clear in 2014 when they got themselves a more accountable democratic government. Now they are fighting to keep it. Do you doubt what would happen to their democracy if Russia took over?

If your democracy is working so great, you wouldn't have to keep apologizing for it, excusing it being hard work.; it may work someday. However you identify yourself matter little. The proof is in the pudding. We are a shit show, heavily in debt, infrastructures are breaking down, countless of homeless roam the street in every city, and we are causing human suffering across the globe. Clinging to your so called democracy failing ideals only give democracy a bad name.

Have you ever wondered why Biden keep yelling the Russians are coming, yet promising Russia we won't put boots on the ground? He wants the conflict, and encourages Russia to invade.

You still don't get it. NATO, aka, US, is not going to want a hot war with Russia or China, or even the little o North Korea Trump was so fond making fun of. Not for goodness sake. It is, because they have nukes. Not for goodness sake. It is, because they have nukes. Not for goodness sake. It is, because they have nukes. Not for goodness sake. It is, because they have nukes.

Get out of your comfort zone and take a look at the world without your rosy color shades.

You still think US can win when nukes are flying. You are thinking, if we nuke North Korea we would out number their nukes 100 to 1. You think 911 was devastating, you will see what devastation is if even one nuke landed on US soil. We don't have the stomach for it, even if we are guarantee a win. Americans (not even our soldiers, tho we have enough of them coming back all fck up) don't know how tragic war is since we are always the invading force, destroying other's home and killing families.

You still don't get that Russia can't lose. Russia has made it clear they will use nuke if they are losing. They will use nukes if NATO gets involved. We are no better since we have now change our status to we will use nuke preemptively. No surprise there since we have already used it, not once but twice.

Not for goodness sake. It is, because Russia have nukes.

Russia can't lose because China won't let it. There is no need for China to show that card yet.

You still think you can out nuke any country. You don't realize once nukes start to fly, it is not US vs Russia, or China, or North Korea. It is everyone against everyone, all at once. Game Over!

Wake up!

Mjmd · October 7th, 2023, 23:58

We have gotten better. That is fact. We can continue to get better. It is laughably false that if we became an autocracy things would get better. Sure maybe for the lifetime of 1 autocrat. That is possible (although still HIGHLY unlikely). But long term? It isn't like democracies strength is continuation of policies (its actually a huge weakness). It is in the transfer or power and higher accountability. I don't say absolute accountability, but it is accountability autocracies don't face. I'm sure there were plenty of nay sayers when their coal mine owners were paying off governors and law enforcement too. I'm sure there were women who thought they would never get the vote. I know there were people wanting either violent resistance or a back to Africa approach during the civil rights movement. That is the proof. I'm not sure its as sweet as pudding, but it is there. Voting caused 2 senator seats to flip. We got an infrastructure bill out of this among other things.

No one is nuking anyone as long as their direct territory isn't invaded. China attacked us in Korea. We didn't nuke. Some people wanted to.... and mind you China DIDN'T have nukes at the time. But we didn't. But yes you are proving my point that NATO was never a threat to Russia. People are understandably nervous about nukes.

Mjmd

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I do not think his personal kickbacks compare to Teapot Dome.

I chose this one to work off of a known quantity. I do want to note there was some actual accountability here with actual arrests being made.

To note I've argued before that him trying to overthrow Democracy and bringing the Republican party with him even after and still to do this day is WAY worse. And is reason alone. To avoid the book for this reason and for those who don't care going to spoiler the rest.

Mjmd

Edit this post was in response to one now deleted.

It means something sometimes. Better than meaning nothing all of the time! Its faulty logic to say "democracies have problems / democracies have problems with accountability therefore autocracies are better". The logic doesn't follow. Just because we have problems with accountability doesn't mean autocracies have it or are devoid of problems. Democracies don't have to hide two athletes hugging because their lane numbers reference a massacre. Edit: and we can't for that matter.

I mean we attacked North Korea, China then attacked us. Technically* our attack was UN sanctioned. In any case my point was that it was a major conflict. Caused a lot of loss of American life. We clearly cared about the outcome. BUT no nukes.

BING_XI_LAO

I took a whole year's break from this thread hoping that something interesting would happen in Tsar Vladimir's liberation of Malorussia. But to induldge in a civ4 analogy, both sides have massive artillery stacks and now no-one can make the first move because of collateral damage that gets heaped on any localised force concentration. None of us can properly discuss the war now, because no-one wants to bother to analyse comparative military industrial output to figure out who wins the attrition war. That's tedious enough even when it's not half classified.

I also took a break because I enjoy playing civ4 here and didn't want to end up trolling so hard that it would interfere with that. When I read this idealistic normie western liberalism here, I can't help myself.

Here's a really great politics blog I'd like to share - https://thedreizinreport.com
It's by this butthurt edgy Jew who works for the US government and lives in Virginia, but makes up for it by being a conspiracy theorist. And these are only very high quality conspiracy theories, not generic dross.

His latest posts include the observation, "Iran never responds in “mirror” fashion. Israel has severely destabilized balance of power on Iran’s NW border. IMHO, this is response, 1 day after 50th anniv. of start of 1973 war. Awful to see dead Jewish kids & old people, shot point blank by terrorists, but what about 100,000 Armenian cleansed/permanent refugees & no one cares?"
Which I think is a great point - one month ago, Israeli weapons were used in muslim hands to cleanse 100,000 Christians and no-one gave a flying fuck, because the Armenians don't have the power of being brown victims of colonialism, and they also didn't have the power of Jewish kvetching. Now Israelis and muslims want to play victim over the Gaza bustup a single month after working together to end the 2,000 year armenian inhabitation of that area, in favour of some turkic nomads who showed up 350 years ago.

Frankly I'm torn on which side to support between the Jews and Arabs. On the one hand I'm from an apartheid settler colonialist family on my father's side, so I have a lot of sympathy for Israel being forced into adopting apartheid settler colonial politices. It's the only thing that works, just like the only solution to raids from the Gaza Strip would be some classic ethnic cleansing - just like the only way we could've turned Afghanistan into a feminist democracy would've been a mix of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and commie-style re-education camps.

On the other hand, there are some good reasons to dislike Israel DESPITE it being a based and redpilled militaristic settler state. Netanyahu recently participated in that gangbang of Elon Musk by 100 rabbis on a public twitter space, led by the supremacist Jew blackmailer Jonathan Greenblatt, who works for the ADL which was founded to avenge a Jewish paedophile who raped and murdered a Gentile girl. Anyhow - the point of the Jews bullying Elon Musk in the past month is that they don't believe that Gentiles deserve to have free speech. So while Israel has plenty of good aspects, they do occasionally do things like participate in Epstein's Mossad paedophile island blackmail operation and so on, which makes them the enemy of the oppressed Western populations which are gradually being demographically usurped in their own countries by the illegitimate 'democratic governments' (satanic oligarchies).

The 'Palestinians' on the other hand are also very easy to dislike. For one thing the "Palestinian nation" is somehow even more fake and devoid of historical reality than the "Ukrainian nation". In reality they're just Arabs who want arab muslim state #23 while thinking that 1 Jewish state is too many, just like Ukrainians are just Russians with a bizarro inferiority-superiority victim complex who want to suck Western cock even if means getting their legs blown off trying to invade Taurida. Also, the Arabs keep marrying their own first cousins, which makes them turn out to be ugly and retarded (this is also a problem in Galicia, the north-western ultranationalist region of The Ukraine). These 'Palestinian' Arabs are also Muslims, which means they have an eternal agenda to conquer non-muslims and institute a sectarian apartheid system to eradicate every other faith slowly or swiftly, which makes them total hypocrites and dishonest when they complain about "apartheid" as if on universal grounds. They only dislike apartheid when they're not in charge. When they are in charge, it's what their prophet commanded.

BTW, isn't it weird that liberals still use 'apartheid' as if it's a bad thing, when they actually support making whites second class citizens? Currently liberals are trying to force through this "Aboriginal Voice to Parliament" in Australia (where I live), which would give the abos special racial privileges. It's basically imitating the American religion of worshipping black criminals and letting blacks commit as much crime as they want. (New Zealand also has its own negrolatric imperial imitation cult focused around the Maori, with businesses conducting prayers in Maori etc). The abos aren't much interested in violent crime, so instead it's this kind of land ownership (rent-seeking) and welfare thing. I guess liberals think apartheid is only bad when the paler-skinned races are on top.

It's also hypocritical for the Jews to complain about being massacred and ethnically cleansed when they practically founded a religion based on exterminating every other genocidal Iron Age tribe which was driving around in the area circa 800 BC. BOTH SIDES don't give a fuck about universal morality, so if you're not a jew or a muslim yourself you shouldn't be fooled by their bullshit. They just want to be wearing the spiked boots themselves.

On the other hand, those flying Mad Max vehicles which Hamas flew into that hipster festival were totally awesome. It's very cool to see a people fighting a hopeless battle because they prize honour over life. AND they killed a bunch of degenerate hipsters who had a pagan idol present. FUCK HIPSTERS.

I'd also like to clarify that I don't consider myself to be an anti-semite. I think Jews are the most racist people ever to have existed, even more racist than black Americans and gypsies. As an Afrikaner, I'm quite racist myself, but I can only aspire to the heights of racist excellence which the Jews have attained, and I admire them for it.

So in sum, I hope the Jews and the Arabs somehow both end up fleeing the Levant. Then the Artsakhians can resettle the Holy Land, just like in the good old days when Armenians were the best local allies of the Crusaders by a mile, and conducted many ethnic cleansing operations against their heathen neighbours the moment the Crusaders defeated the nearby muslim armies.

Also I made some amazing AI generated homoerotic Putin fanart over the past 12 months, this one is my masterpiece. Just looking at it revives my optimism that democracy will be destroyed, and that dictators will restore humanity's true destiny. Can't wait for when the five Carl Schmitt books I ordered online arrive, after reading a butthurt Politico article about how much the Chinese love him. The Chinese Planet Era is approaching and it's going to be glorious.

greenline · October 8th, 2023, 07:44

(October 8th, 2023, 00:12)Mjmd Wrote: So campaigning there are some cases like forcing secret service to pay $1.5M to use his plane. His famous $107M inauguration...... Sure no swampiness was had here (and yes there are examples).

There seems to be a repeated failure to communicate here. When someone says the word 'oligarchy', you respond with comments about trust busting monopolies, even though an oligarchy has nothing specifically to do with monopolistic corporations (in fact, it leans towards the opposite!). Similarly, when someone talks about the plan to 'drain the swamp' you immediately pipe up with details of Trump engaging in graft, even though the idea of draining the swamp never had anything to do with graft.

The swamp that Trump described was not just a legislative body that was corrupt, nor was his plan to end said corruption. The swamp was the idea that legislative body being so captured by various interest groups that some ideas will be considered verboten and subject to extreme obstructionism.

For example. In the current day, the agency known as the NSA generally exists to spy on Americans and make their lives worse. Very little good comes out of what the NSA does. If Americans wanted the NSA gone so that it would stop spying on them and making their lives worse, they would have very little recourse to do so, because any legislature they could vote for would immediately ensure to continue budgeting generously for the NSA once in office. There is nothing in the Constitution that says there should be an NSA, but every person involved in 'normal politics' will continue to support it without blinking. This is the swamp - the body of politicians who are tied deeply to supporting every aspect of the administrative-security state. To drain the swamp would mean to replace those politicians with those who are willing to take action against agencies like the NSA, or to find some loophole in the law to hurt those agencies without the support of 'the swamp'.

The way the swamp is captured wholly by these agencies is not in the incredibly naive view that democrats put forth, that the NSA or NATO hands big fat checks to politicians campaigning and they respond in part. There is lobbying and bribery that does occur, but this mainly is in the areas where politicians are actually flexible. Where politicians are completely inflexible is in the support of the civil service. The Department of Education or the NSA does not need to donate any money to political campaigns to be supported, because the support comes from a shared cultural vision in the government. The swamp is the result of politicians living in a post New Deal world where their class now believes that the expansion of the civil service is a inherently good thing, or at least that it is their job merely to keep it in its current state rather than reduce it, for guys like McConnell.

Charr Babies

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Ask if your accountability does any good for the natives, ask if your accountability does any good for the Iraqis. All self serving empty talks.

Try using logic. Never mind why NATO formed to begin with. You just finished telling us how If NATO wanted to destroy Russia, it would be so easy to finish them off, how can Russia not think NATO a threat? Just because your bishop is checked by my knight does not mean your bishop posts no threat. We got nukes all over the world, and we have proved we are not afraid to use them. We are a threat to every nation who are not our CURRENT team of running dogs. Why we changed our No First Strike policy to allow preemptive use of nukes.

We didn't nuke Korea/China, not for the lack of will, not for goodness' sake. We cannot justify such a move to the world. And Russia has nukes.

Keep talking circles around yourself, doing double back flips like a politician. You still failed to present a logical convincing argument.

Mjmd · October 8th, 2023, 08:39

@Bing

So one thing about learning about American history with the Native Americans is I very much side against Israel. You can go back to Rome and probably farther back. Oh I'll plant a settlement here. Shocking the other side attacked it. SELF DEFENSE. There is a growing awareness of this in America. I don't know if it will ever be enough as the pro-israel sentiment is pretty ingrained, but I do think it stops Israel from doing more extreme ethnic cleansing. The fact they are a weak democracy has probably helped, although theirs seems to almost be gone. BTW I'm not saying there is a "good" side here. But rather I look at it as a situation of "who has the power and therefore who is the onus on"?

Putin is a great example of the failures and problems of autocrats.

@Greenline

So its better that an autocrat just funnels all the money directly to themselves / cronies and policy is decided that way? I can't stress how much better some accountability is to zero. Just to note while the direct definition of oligarchs doesn't include owning monopolies this is usually a bi product. Again, Russia is a great example. So the fact that any trust busting can happen is a sign that the elite don't control everything. The people have stepped up and demanded change before. We could do it again. We have to demand our democracy first.

I'll also point out that special interest groups directly had events at Trump properties WITH Trump present. There is something to be said for smaller government, but that doesn't mean dismantling it in whatever whim your biggest corporations / interest groups want. That seems to be the OPPOSITE of draining the swamp.

Mjmd · October 8th, 2023, 08:49

(October 8th, 2023, 08:31)Charr Babies Wrote: If
Ask if your accountability does any good for the natives, ask if your accountability does any good for the Iraqis. All self serving empty talks.

Try using logic. Never mind why NATO formed to begin with. You just finished telling us how If NATO wanted to destroy Russia, it would be so easy to finish them off, how can Russia not think NATO a threat? Just because your bishop is checked by my knight does not mean your bishop posts no threat. We got nukes all over the world, and we have proved we are not afraid to use them. We are a threat to every nation who are not our CURRENT team of running dogs. Why we changed our No First Strike policy to allow preemptive use of nukes.

We didn't nuke Korea/China, not for the lack of will, not for goodness' sake. We cannot justify such a move to the world. And Russia has nukes.

Keep talking circles around yourself, doing double back flips like a politician. You still failed to present a logical convincing argument.

I've presented an argument before that human empathy has increased with media. IE if we can read and see suffering it is easier to see those people as people. Yes America has done terrible things. We probably will continue to mess up. But there are steps forward. Biden appointed the first Native American to his cabinet (honestly interior secretary should just always be Native American from now on). He helped get basic infrastructure to them for the first time. This didn't happen by accident. They helped him win his election.

Again, its a flawed argument to say "democracies have problems > autocracies are better". The US has treated minorities HORRIBLE in the past. However, with work, its gotten better. I'm not going to say its over like some people, but its much better. There isn't any mechanism in an autocracy for this to happen. When minorities get repressed by an autocrat they can either leave, probably fail violently rebelling, or hope international pressure from countries who do care pressures the autocrat not to. You have yet to define how autocracies have BETTER accountability. I don't have to show that democracies are perfect, I just have to show they are better. You can say "all corruption indexes are false". But mind they show the US isn't that great on that metric either, but yet still better. Some accountability is better than none.

Again, Russia doesn't have anything to fear. They have nukes. I'm not sure I can follow all of what you say, but the point is they invaded Ukraine because THEY wanted to. They were never under serious threat.

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